That’s cool and all, but in other news, Kaden Evans just popped a 30:25 10k in Spanish Fork. I am predicting he will be the NXR SW champ and in contention for NXN champ.
And another AF senior Moore ran a 30:51 10k. Rest of the speedy Spaniard results are below.
and the thing is, Moore was actually the fastest in his class at American Fork when he and Evans were freshmen. Good to see him back up there and this will help American Fork keep its dynasty despite losing 6 guys from NXN
Looked up a couple of the runners who were interviewed and was a little surprised they weren't faster on the track. Was also surprised that they didn't have much of a college career. I am asking as a coach, not as a critic... do you think his training intensity (he said they train 12x a week) is too much?
There is an inherent problem with hitting high mileage in high school. If you're a 40 mpw kind of guy, you should improve when you bump up to 50. My old school was still able to routinely podium/top 5 at NXR while doing something like 15/25/35/45 mpw as a fresh/soph/jr/senior.
The problem was, to be a REALLY good high school team, these days you need 60-70 mpw plus lots of extra stuff. That's the Newbury Park effect. The trade off, is that a kid that ran 9:00 off of 45 mile weeks can improve much more in college as they build to 100 mpw (60 mpw increase) over a kid who ran 8:45 with 70 mpw (30 mpw increase).
Unless you have genetic phenoms like the Youngs and Sahlmans, (and that's not even the full story because Mike Smith is a wizard and they have altitude) you need to either increase mileage or add in more elements like altitude to get better. With runners who do the volume that Great Oak does, its MUCH MUCH harder to improve in college than with the typical kid who's coach didn't know anything.
It's a world of trade offs, and the Herriman/Great Oak guys are trading collegiate improvement for high school improvement. There's a case to be made that some of these guys would never get scholarships in any other program without the Doug Soles training, but I'll leave that for you to decide...
All so true. I coach in a league which has a school that would win our state title once every 3-5 years or so from the 90s through 2020, but hardly any of their athletes ran in college at any level, and most that did never really panned out. They had a huge team and the coach put them all through an 80 MPW wringer and won the titles with the guys that survived. By comparison I would generally keep my guys and girls down around 40-50, with a few exceptions, and I’ve had many athletes who had success and improvement in college, way more than my colleague’s alums, even though I have just one state title and he has I think 6 or 7.
I'm a new coach and the team I have walked into is about 10 strong and not particularly good. Have a 1:59 800 guy who runs like 25mpw and another kid who is 4:35/9:45 who runs between 40 and 50 a week. Everyone else is like a 4:55-5:15 kid who I can't get to train over the summer and do the bare minimum during school.
The latter kid will do what you tell him and is the one I would push. But he's also the one who wants to run D3 and I don't want to burn him out. I think he can get to 9:25-30/4:25 this spring doing what we're doing or I can grind him and maybe he runs 9:10-9:20 and 4:22 or something. I'm just not sure what the trade off is by doing this. He has steadily improved just through consistency... so I lean towards that. Get him up to 50-55mpw and get him to do core and a little lifting on top of twice a week workouts and strides.
This race was actually surprisingly slow for them. First 2 miles are over 200 feet net loss and the last mile is net even. With past results if this race I would have expected the top few to dip under 15. Could be a big training week for them or maybe they are getting too excited this summer and racing workouts…
Is it me or did none of us never even know who Harriman was until a couple years ago? Dude must be a magician. The haterz just sound jealous because there 5:00 guys aren’t any good.
2012 was actually the last time the Herriman boys team won the state meet. But they were 4A and AF was 5A.
They also took 4th at NXR that year.
Here is one of the guys who was part of that squad
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That's how people are, they tear down anything that makes them feel uncomfortable. Woodbridge is just Arcadia on a cross country course.
Except Woodbridge somehow manages to be flatter than tracks lol.
It's not. You can look at everyone's strava's and see the elevation changes (also out of the 100+ stravas at woodbridge not a single person got less than 3 miles). Runninglane is technically flatter than woodbridge. Woodbridge has great weather, atmosphere, lots of people screaming at you, and good competition. Same as Arcadia in those aspects.
Except Woodbridge somehow manages to be flatter than tracks lol.
It's not. You can look at everyone's strava's and see the elevation changes (also out of the 100+ stravas at woodbridge not a single person got less than 3 miles). Runninglane is technically flatter than woodbridge. Woodbridge has great weather, atmosphere, lots of people screaming at you, and good competition. Same as Arcadia in those aspects.
Just exaggerating because it is so flat. I know when the courses for me broke everyone with rolling hills and mud. Yeah runninglane is so flat its a little absurd.
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Doug Soles gets great results out of his high school runners.
However, his high school athletes consistently do not have success after leaving his program. There are no Great Oak or Herriman studs (male or female to be clear) that have had outstanding college "careers" or gone on to any meaningful professional racing results.
31 Brianna Weidler University of California - Davis 20:02.90
Herriman ran at the Deseret news 5k this morning in Utah. Air quality was 67, so could be better. The course is on the roads with a bit of uphill and downhill. Quite fast, but also at 4200 feet.
Lone Peak is another hs in Utah. Just talking some friendly smack. But really the course is very fast. It's downhill for most the race and on the road.
My conversation this week is with the head coach of Herriman High School and formerly Great Oak HS, Coach Doug Soles. His Herriman high school boys are the reigning champions of NXN nationals and he recently wrote a book call...
Is it me or did none of us never even know who Harriman was until a couple years ago? Dude must be a magician. The haterz just sound jealous because there 5:00 guys aren’t any good.
2012 was actually the last time the Herriman boys team won the state meet. But they were 4A and AF was 5A.
They also took 4th at NXR that year.
Here is one of the guys who was part of that squad
Is it me or did none of us never even know who Harriman was until a couple years ago? Dude must be a magician. The haterz just sound jealous because there 5:00 guys aren’t any good.
No one heard of Loudoun Valley until the Hunter parents started coaching
No one heard of Newbury Park until Brosnan started coaching
No one heard of Jesuit LA until Doody started coaching
Is it me or did none of us never even know who Harriman was until a couple years ago? Dude must be a magician. The haterz just sound jealous because there 5:00 guys aren’t any good.
No one heard of Loudoun Valley until the Hunter parents started coaching
No one heard of Newbury Park until Brosnan started coaching
No one heard of Jesuit LA until Doody started coaching
No one heard of Niwot until Kelly Christensen started coaching
