2k and 2mile WRs are not impressive because he'll never win medals in those distances. Every WR is paced btw.
When did I mention those distances? Those performances are way better than his 8:00 2 miles and were given LESS pacing, but that is besides the point. Kerr has not shown that he can regularly win medals and is being overly arrogant for a guy who dodges all of his competition in the main season.
Kerr just started winning last year, but Jakob hasn't beaten him since then... he needs to claim a global gold again to consider himself the best. Fast times when it doesn't count the most don't make you the best. Sorry you are hurt by this fact.
Kerr is a world champion and has been really impressive in 2024, but his racing schedule is pathetic. Skipping Euros, Monaco, and London is egregious. The guy insists he wants to race against the best in the world but is nowhere to be found 90% of the time. Too busy posting pics of himself sitting in the dark I guess.
If everyone else raced as sparingly as Kerr does, we’d never have anything to watch. No fan of the sport should be defending him in on this.
I agree it sucks he doesn't race often. We'd all like to see that. But if he can keep winning gold medals like this he's going to remain the best.
Where did I mention Jakob? Now I know you are a braindead Kerr glazer if you have to mention Jakob every time. I am arguing based on his claims of being "the best 1500m runner in the world" but he has no consistency in winning golds and dodges all of his competition in the main season.
Kerr holds the belt until it is taken from him at the next WC or Olympics. Last ai checked, best is measured by who wins the biggest races. DL meets and nationals don't matter.
LOL. That's not how this Sport works. To be the best, you need to win the WC regularly AND win in the main season regularly. You are a terrible fan of the sport if you measure it by one WC or one Olympic race. Even if Kerr won atleast two or three times in the many 1500s this season (Doha, Rabat, Oslo, Euros, Monaco, London) or atleast some 800s or 1500s in the US with LA Grand Prix, New York Grand Prix, any of the sound running meets or Brooks sponsored meets, but he has just one oregon relays 800...Please stop.
When did I mention those distances? Those performances are way better than his 8:00 2 miles and were given LESS pacing, but that is besides the point. Kerr has not shown that he can regularly win medals and is being overly arrogant for a guy who dodges all of his competition in the main season.
Kerr just started winning last year, but Jakob hasn't beaten him since then... he needs to claim a global gold again to consider himself the best. Fast times when it doesn't count the most don't make you the best. Sorry you are hurt by this fact.
Again. Never mentioned Jakob. You are deflecting at this point to try to find some irrelevant point about Jakob. The fact of the matter is, nobody can beat him since then since he only decides to race once an outdoor season. No LA Grand Prix, No NY Grand Prix, no Sound Running, no Brooks Meets, no Diamond Leagues, just an 800 and a mile, no biggie LOL.
Exactly. Jake Wightman won WC 1500 over Jakob. But would you consider him "one of the best"? That is not how it works in T&F, no other sports like triathlon or cycling. You can win one big race – that is great, and very admirable – however, if you fall off the face of the earth later or are a one-hit wonder, then you are in no way "the best".
Details and scheduling don't mean anything. Too many people focus on irrelevancies.
It is a two-man race. Jakob needs to figure out how to get to the rail quickly and pace every lap perfectly, to wear down Kerr enough so that he won't be gobbled up by Kerr's longer strides and greater acceleration.
If Jakob does it perfectly he'll win by a few meters. If he gets it wrong he'll lose by a few feet.
Beating Nuguse and Barega who is only good at the 10k is not impressive. Where are the top 3k guys? This was also 5 months ago and was indoors so I don't care.
Barega is a 7:25 guy at the 3K indoors and a 12:43 guy at 5K, but he’s only good at the 10K? Please make that make sense
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So you are telling me that all he needs to run so far to be the “best in the world” is an Oregon relays 800, Pre Mile, and the UK champs 800m where he fell, and he is somehow the best 1500m runner in the world?
Pre Mile 3:45.34. Strategy: sit on Jakob, which clearly he can do. Outkick him in the last 100 Meters, which clearly he has shown can be done. Advantage Kerr.
So you are telling me that all he needs to run so far to be the “best in the world” is an Oregon relays 800, Pre Mile, and the UK champs 800m where he fell, and he is somehow the best 1500m runner in the world?
Pre Mile 3:45.34. Strategy: sit on Jakob, which clearly he can do. Outkick him in the last 100 Meters, which clearly he has shown can be done. Advantage Kerr.
Mind you, Josh has a better much larger stride when sprinting for home in the final 200m against Jakob and will definitely not lose to Jakob in the Paris 1500m final, I'm sure man!!!!!
I respect Neil Gourley more, if we speak about GB. We gonna check how much you are sure, 6th August little bit before 9:00 pm Paris time. You'll be here for race analysis, right?
Exactly. Jake Wightman won WC 1500 over Jakob. But would you consider him "one of the best"? That is not how it works in T&F, no other sports like triathlon or cycling. You can win one big race – that is great, and very admirable – however, if you fall off the face of the earth later or are a one-hit wonder, then you are in no way "the best".
Well, in addition to his World Championship (WC) gold medal at 1500m from Budapest, Kerr did win an Olympic bronze medal at 1500m in Tokyo, plus an indoor gold at 3000m in Birmingham. Maybe you only consider gold medals as hits, but I think many here, if not most, would consider any Olympic or WC medal a hit, even if from an indoor WC which tend to be less hotly contested. So I think it is derogatory to call Kerr a "one-hit wonder" as he has a clutch of global medals.
He normally peaks at the right time - it’s even more important this year. He knows what he’s doing - just because we all want to see interesting races doesn’t mean they have to change their plan.
Jakob could be over-racing. He loves to race clearly but is he timing his peak correctly? Athletes can’t stay in PB shape for months. It’s no coincidence he gets ‘ill’ for the big championships.
Maybe he’ll pull it off but his strategy is more risky than Kerr’s. Especially when coming back from injury.
Jakob was in PB shape for months. Getting a sore throat is a result of external factors, not internal. But he is besides the point. Kerr does not get to call himself the best 1500m runner in the world. He has a spotty track record in world and olympic finals and even moreso in regular season races. I support runners who compete more and accept the truth rather than a guy who pretends he is the best and exudes fake confidence but is really not that good relatively speaking.
If he wins the olympic 1500m, then I think it's fair to call him the best in the world. If he doesn't win the olympics, I'm not so sure he would claim that he's the best. Getting bent out of shape pre maturely and this will sort itself out.
The point with Kerr is even if he is timing the peak to perfection it comes at a cost of promoting the sport (via racing more against Jakob and company). And his consolation for us (as fans) is to compete in the Grand Slam league -- where he knows the heavy weights (Nuguse, Ingibritsen,etc..) likely won't participate.
He doesn't owe you any consolation... Why are people so entitled?
Mind you, Josh has a better much larger stride when sprinting for home in the final 200m against Jakob and will definitely not lose to Jakob in the Paris 1500m final, I'm sure man!!!!!
I respect Neil Gourley more, if we speak about GB. We gonna check how much you are sure, 6th August little bit before 9:00 pm Paris time. You'll be here for race analysis, right?
Yes, I'll be here to usher in Josh Kerr as the new 2024 Olympic 1500m champion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A feature of 1500m greats like EL G was the ability to OPEN UP THEIR LEGS WIDER in the final 100m of the 1500m race. Bernard Lagat couldn't open his legs as wide as El G because he simply had no energy!!!! You need energy to stretch those legs out without compromising stride cadence and frequency. El G had sacred energy derived from the unpolluted and RF-free Atlas mountains of the 1990s and early 2000s, not so much Bernard Lagat who was living in already very polluted American cities back then.
Next feature of 1500m greats like El G was the ability to perfectly synchronize his arm swing with his stride DESPITE opening up his legs bigger and wider, you feeling me sir?????? This means, HE DOES NOT OVERSTRIDE AT ALL despite opening up his legs wider because the arms which are perfectly synchronized in space and time with a wider stride are providing enough lift and thrust force upwards and forwards to catch those wide open legs before it hits the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mo Farah couldn't do that at Daegu 2011 that's why he sucks and lost to Ibrahim Jeilan. Mo Farah has till this day always sprints terribly and ugly.
Do you get it???? I don't see that with Jakob and not really also with Josh Kerr. Both are nowhere near the gifted running mechanics and sacred bioenergetics (epigenetics) of El G although Josh Kerr has some remnants of El G's mechanics by his ability to open up his stride while sprinting for the finish line. Jakob cannot do that, his legs are stuck and can only rely on turnover which is not good enough.
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Interesting, I was just teading on another thread about micro dosing and avoiding testing by only racing occasionally. And yet the athlete who turns up consistently and is tested almost every competition day, in several countries, by different bodies and analysed by different laboritories, is the one who is accused of doping. Go figure.
No, he didn’t out kick Jakob -he out ran him. Kerr was clearly a better runner than Jakob in that race, and could have won with a larger gap if he had chosen another strategy. But Kerr chose to do two things at the same time: Both win and get a good time (British record). -He did everything right here, IMO… (Contrary to Snell by the way, who in OG 1964 shouldn’t have saved himself for a kick, but gone for both WR and the win. But it’s of course easy to say things like that in hindsight…).
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Well, in addition to his World Championship (WC) gold medal at 1500m from Budapest, Kerr did win an Olympic bronze medal at 1500m in Tokyo, plus an indoor gold at 3000m in Birmingham. Maybe you only consider gold medals as hits, but I think many here, if not most, would consider any Olympic or WC medal a hit, even if from an indoor WC which tend to be less hotly contested. So I think it is derogatory to call Kerr a "one-hit wonder" as he has a clutch of global medals.
Yes, I think it’s wrong to call Kerr a “one-hit wonder” (he never was). -I would rather call him a somewhat “late bloomer” (well, not all that late -he isn’t old). Up to Tokyo Olympics Josh wasn’t a very good runner (he just wasn’t, in any event, relatively speaking), but his bronze in a good pb was a breakthrough. And it wasn’t a one-hit because he ran 3.29 high in Lausanne in 2023, and of course the WC win the same year in a good time. And with his stellar indoor season and 3.45 mile he is of course already an all times great, IMO…
Interesting, I was just teading on another thread about micro dosing and avoiding testing by only racing occasionally. And yet the athlete who turns up consistently and is tested almost every competition day, in several countries, by different bodies and analysed by different laboritories, is the one who is accused of doping. Go figure.
Because when done professionally doping is typically masked. Hence far more dope than are caught, as confidential athlete surveys have shown.
No, he didn’t out kick Jakob -he out ran him. Kerr was clearly a better runner than Jakob in that race, and could have won with a larger gap if he had chosen another strategy. But Kerr chose to do two things at the same time: Both win and get a good time (British record). -He did everything right here, IMO… (Contrary to Snell by the way, who in OG 1964 shouldn’t have saved himself for a kick, but gone for both WR and the win. But it’s of course easy to say things like that in hindsight…).
Kerr did kick in the final straight and pulled away from Jakob. But in any case, he finished stronger than Jakob - and won.
BTW, the 1500 final at Tokyo was Snell's 6th race in 9 days. He won both the 800 and the 1500 (in which he completely buried the field). That wasn't enough for you? Do you really understand sport at this level?
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