No, the Conservatives have lost because they stopped being conservative (aside from the usual maintaining of their Norman class privileges). The real story is that a truly right-wing populist party (Reform) has made a massive breakthrough and taken almost half the Conservative vote. Either the Conservatives will have to turn back to the right or they will never get into power again, or even be replaced by Reform as the right-wing opposition party.
And guarantee they never come close to a majority for a generation.
They said the same thing after the 2019 election 'Boris will be PM for more than 10 years'. Things can change quickly!
No, the Conservatives have lost because they stopped being conservative (aside from the usual maintaining of their Norman class privileges). The real story is that a truly right-wing populist party (Reform) has made a massive breakthrough and taken almost half the Conservative vote. Either the Conservatives will have to turn back to the right or they will never get into power again, or even be replaced by Reform as the right-wing opposition party.
Or look at it another way. Right wing extremism has killed the conservative movement. The same thing is happening here.
Hey look everybody! Another luny lib who thinks it’s permissible to mutilate the genitals of kids!
It would be wild if Reform gets near 20% of the total national vote, outperforming the polls and pundits. Alas, it won't translate into 20% of the seats, but still very significant.
No, the Conservatives have lost because they stopped being conservative (aside from the usual maintaining of their Norman class privileges). The real story is that a truly right-wing populist party (Reform) has made a massive breakthrough and taken almost half the Conservative vote. Either the Conservatives will have to turn back to the right or they will never get into power again, or even be replaced by Reform as the right-wing opposition party.
Seems like elections this year are more anti-incumbent… not so much right or left. Right wing parties won where liberals were in charge, and this is the opposite. The conservatives have been in charge for 14 years. I don’t think the UK is suddenly liberal. They’re just dissatisfied with the economy, inflation, immigration… etc.
No, the Conservatives have lost because they stopped being conservative (aside from the usual maintaining of their Norman class privileges). The real story is that a truly right-wing populist party (Reform) has made a massive breakthrough and taken almost half the Conservative vote. Either the Conservatives will have to turn back to the right or they will never get into power again, or even be replaced by Reform as the right-wing opposition party.
Seems like elections this year are more anti-incumbent… not so much right or left. Right wing parties won where liberals were in charge, and this is the opposite. The conservatives have been in charge for 14 years. I don’t think the UK is suddenly liberal. They’re just dissatisfied with the economy, inflation, immigration… etc.
This is an honest question, coming from an American who isn't very informed about UK politics. What are some of the main differences between the platforms of Labor and the Conservatives in the UK? In 2024, both seem to be broadly aligned on social issues (pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ rights) and economic issues (european soft socialist-capitalism). Is it more that the Conservatives are anti-immigration and Labor is pro? Or is it foreign policy?
Because to me it doesn't seem like there's as much daylight as there is between the US Democrats and Republicans, and this strengthens the position that UK (and european elections more generally) are more anti-incumbent than anything else. For more proof, see how Poland went liberal in 2023 but France is looking like it'll go conservative.
Labour's vote share only went up by one or two percentage points. People were voting against the Conservative Party, they weren't voting for Labour because they like Labour. That just translates into a massive landslide due to the FPTP electoral system. Reform got something like 15% of the vote. The Greens did quite well compared to the last election. The Lib Dems are going to pick up a ton of seats.
I predict Labour will just spend the next five years fighting with each other (probably about Israel & Gaza), but they might win again if the Tories are still the utter joke that they are right now.
Seems like elections this year are more anti-incumbent… not so much right or left. Right wing parties won where liberals were in charge, and this is the opposite. The conservatives have been in charge for 14 years. I don’t think the UK is suddenly liberal. They’re just dissatisfied with the economy, inflation, immigration… etc.
This is an honest question, coming from an American who isn't very informed about UK politics. What are some of the main differences between the platforms of Labor and the Conservatives in the UK? In 2024, both seem to be broadly aligned on social issues (pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ rights) and economic issues (european soft socialist-capitalism). Is it more that the Conservatives are anti-immigration and Labor is pro? Or is it foreign policy?
Because to me it doesn't seem like there's as much daylight as there is between the US Democrats and Republicans, and this strengthens the position that UK (and european elections more generally) are more anti-incumbent than anything else. For more proof, see how Poland went liberal in 2023 but France is looking like it'll go conservative.
Politics in the UK are much different than the US. Many, many parties and votes get split up accordingly. It’s the direction I see America going. You’ll end up having far left, moderate left, moderate right, and far right parties. It’s kind of already like that. But not official. Eventually the Dems and GOP should split into two each. Maybe more. Presidential elections would have four choices. This would allow people to choose a candidate that closely aligns to their beliefs. Right now, the majority of people don’t have a candidate that they like. Most are moderates and they have to choose between a far right Trump or a left of moderate left Biden. If we had two other candidates in the middle, I’d bet one of the other two wins easily. Think of people like Joe Manchin and Liz Cheney. They are effectively moderates. A lot of people on both sides would agree with their common sense policies.
No, the Conservatives have lost because they stopped being conservative (aside from the usual maintaining of their Norman class privileges). The real story is that a truly right-wing populist party (Reform) has made a massive breakthrough and taken almost half the Conservative vote. Either the Conservatives will have to turn back to the right or they will never get into power again, or even be replaced by Reform as the right-wing opposition party.
Close. More to the point is how irrelevant the left and right wing debate is becoming. Labour are certainly not a left wing party. Their leader, and the new pm, is a Knight for gawds sake.
The snp got slaughtered due to their nutcase woke policies.
The conservatives need to get back to their roots and deliver on promises and stop infighting.
Sir Keir will be a disaster. Trump and Nigel is looking as likely as Trump and Boris did at the same time in history.
No, the Conservatives have lost because they stopped being conservative (aside from the usual maintaining of their Norman class privileges). The real story is that a truly right-wing populist party (Reform) has made a massive breakthrough and taken almost half the Conservative vote. Either the Conservatives will have to turn back to the right or they will never get into power again, or even be replaced by Reform as the right-wing opposition party.
Close. More to the point is how irrelevant the left and right wing debate is becoming. Labour are certainly not a left wing party. Their leader, and the new pm, is a Knight for gawds sake.
The snp got slaughtered due to their nutcase woke policies.
The conservatives need to get back to their roots and deliver on promises and stop infighting.
Sir Keir will be a disaster. Trump and Nigel is looking as likely as Trump and Boris did at the same time in history.
If the Conservatives had actually delivered on what they said in 2019 on the question of immigration they'd still be in power. The problem is that the Tory leadership is completely disconnected from their own electorate on this issue and managed to oversee the largest mass-immigration wave the country has ever seen in the last 3 years. Seems simplistic but you look at why 15% of people vote Reform and it mainly is just the question of out of control illegal and legal immigration.
Same thing will happen here in November. People are tired of the hatred and negativity coming from the right.
The writing is on the wall. Don’t be surprised when it happens.
Quite the opposite. Labour's vote remained quite static (32% to 34%) and the ultra right wing Reform party picked up the lost Conservatives vote, not labour. People are fed up paying high taxes but receiving US level services. The exception is in Scotland, where the increase in labour's share of the vote has meant the independence movement has pretty much died a death for now, due to corruption in that party
Voter turnout looks likely to have been around 51% and voter apathy and lack of representative democracy due to the FPTF and constituency systems are shown to even more responsible for the inertia that the UK appears to be stuck in, with no way of getting rid of the consistently under performing main 2 parties. No wonder voter turnout is so low when voters know there is no realistic chance of their votes counting.
That and not having a modern, single document constitution.
If anything they slightly underestimated the Labour result. But lurking in an otherwise great night is the fact Nigel Farage's party got 14% of the vote.
If anything they slightly underestimated the Labour result. But lurking in an otherwise great night is the fact Nigel Farage's party got 14% of the vote.
As UKIP they won 13% of the vote in 2015 and got 1 seat. Today they got 14% and 4 seats.
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