We will see. But it is one of the pitfalls of being a clean athlete in a dirty sport. Other pros would take doping products that would quickly return them to peak fitness.
if you are claiming KT is clean, how do you know this?
Astro obviously doesn't know that Tuohy is clean and all of her competitors are dirty. Astro is just nuts. That's all there is to it.
I take your comment as that you are either not smart enough to be aware of facts or you dont like the facts and ypu think she is doping. I will go with the latter knowing you.
Clearly the 4 facts are indisputable.
uohy was far ahead of her peers at an early age. Everyone is aware of this.
She has a square jaw and large muscles. She certainly isnt the thinnest distance runner on the track.
She is associated with a shady character. No denying this.
She disappeared after entering the testing pool. She hasn't raced since college.
I take your comment as that you are either not smart enough to be aware of facts or you dont like the facts and ypu think she is doping. I will go with the latter knowing you.
Clearly the 4 facts are indisputable.
uohy was far ahead of her peers at an early age. Everyone is aware of this.
She has a square jaw and large muscles. She certainly isnt the thinnest distance runner on the track.
She is associated with a shady character. No denying this.
She disappeared after entering the testing pool. She hasn't raced since college.
No fan of astro, but all these points are rather pointless and baseless conjecture, but who is the shady character you are talking about?
I take your comment as that you are either not smart enough to be aware of facts or you dont like the facts and ypu think she is doping. I will go with the latter knowing you.
Clearly the 4 facts are indisputable.
uohy was far ahead of her peers at an early age. Everyone is aware of this.
She has a square jaw and large muscles. She certainly isnt the thinnest distance runner on the track.
She is associated with a shady character. No denying this.
She disappeared after entering the testing pool. She hasn't raced since college.
No fan of astro, but all these points are rather pointless and baseless conjecture, but who is the shady character you are talking about?
This dude on the left ran in the 2:40's for a full, and also owns the supplement company 2E did some shoots for. I am in the camp that says virtually everybody is using something in the running world, so can't hold too much against them. But in the supplement world, claiming natural when you're (pretty clearly) not to sell your product I don't feel great about.
I hope the best for 2E but don't think it was great for her image to get associated.
Unless you can point to something improper about the supplements themselves, then whatever. By that standard I heard a certain prominent runner had family members who were involved in competitive bodybuilding, about the dirtiest thing out there.
I wasb't being obtuse. I understand the realities of doping in professional sports generally, and running in particular.
I was not criticing you for having opinions or even for the opinions you have. I was criticizing you for the way your treat your opinions. You constant treat your opinions as fact, without giving any coherent or credible arguments as to why they are facts, and then you get annoyed when the rest of us aren't willing to take, "Because that's what I think" as conclusive evidence.
You are living proof that Feynman was right to say the first principle of science is that "you are the easiest person to fool."
Like I said, there is an unfortunate gap between well founded suspicion based on facts and experience, and a positive test or confession. Apologists operate in that gap even against common sense.
Figuring out who is clean and who is doping is not complicated. You look at the usual red flags: … absence of natural fatigue
I know I’m going to regret this but I’ve seen this so many times I have to ask finally. How are you proposing to discern this? And, follow-up, what does this mean? Is your claim that these supposedly not tired dopers are holding back so they don’t look too suspicious, thus they don’t appear to be “naturally fatigued” when they’re done? The doping 3:59 miler has held back from his doped potential of 3:54 lest he arouse suspicion, but clever Astro detects no “natural fatigue” and so assigns him to the doping classes?
Valby looked wiped after the indoor 3,000m. On the other hand, euphoria and a burst of reserve energy after a great race are common despite a maximum effort. Have you never felt this? I’ve been on my knees puking after a great race. I’ve also been totally wiped, learned that my time was a new PR or broke a significant barrier or record and I’ve jumped for joy and felt a rush of energy.
Was it 1960 or 1964 when Bikele did calisthenics and ran around the track in delight after winning the marathon?
And your list of points to identify a doper, constructed as it is to seem pseudo-methodologically sound, is a total crock. I’m sure there are people we are convinced are doping who are completely clean. Just as I’m sure there are those we’d swear on the Upanishads are squeaky clean who actually are doped to the gills. It’s the sad truths of our sport.
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