OK, but 59.6 is closer to 60 and his penultimate lap was 59.9. Why would someone going for a WR, not push as hard as he possibly could through to the finish line, and increase his pace if possible? If he wasn’t maxed, how many seconds did he leave on the table?
That the humidity affected his performance is an argument for him having run all out.
Is it possible to set pace lights, 60 seconds a lap? Yes. Is it possible to get paid pacers to split 3000m, 7:30 and continue at same pace for another 1000m? That won't happen. Guys will be on their own by 3500m.
More like 2500m… seriously you would need like a 7:27 type guy to take them through 3000m in 7:30. That isn’t happening. If they get someone to run 7:35 I will be impressed.
OK, but 59.6 is closer to 60 and his penultimate lap was 59.9. Why would someone going for a WR, not push as hard as he possibly could through to the finish line, and increase his pace if possible? If he wasn’t maxed, how many seconds did he leave on the table?
That the humidity affected his performance is an argument for him having run all out.
He did run all out. I read his post-race interview (both him and his coach Addy Ruiter spoke) and they both said the heat and humidity definitely affected the performance. Before the race Ruiter said himself he thought Chep was in 12:30 shape. We will never know obviously but he definitely was a better runner at one time than 12:35.
Is it possible to set pace lights, 60 seconds a lap? Yes. Is it possible to get paid pacers to split 3000m, 7:30 and continue at same pace for another 1000m? That won't happen. Guys will be on their own by 3500m.
More like 2500m… seriously you would need like a 7:27 type guy to take them through 3000m in 7:30. That isn’t happening. If they get someone to run 7:35 I will be impressed.
What's going to be even worse than this scenario is if they ever go for the 10,000 WR. Who would pace that through 13:00? I look at these situations as becoming even more difficult as times get faster.
feels hard to believe they will hold that for 4k. Dropping 5-15s off your 5000m is a pretty big ask and several of those PRs are well in the past
I find sub-12:30 a bit of a stretch but a WR is plenty exciting. The only relevant PR that could be called “well in the past” is Cheptegei’s 12:35. Aregawi, Kejelcha, Kiplimo and Gebrhiwet all ran their 12:40-12:42 PRs inside of the last year (and Cheptegei ran 12:41 last year, too).
Sub-12:30 pace is suicidal. Splitting 7:29 at 3k would be bad news for anyone in the world... Negative split for Sub-12:35 is certainly necessary.
I wish Jakob would take a crack at the 5k. He's the one person I feel confident can run sub 12:30, and every time he races these 12:40 guys he shows he's a level above them (even while sick).
More like 2500m… seriously you would need like a 7:27 type guy to take them through 3000m in 7:30. That isn’t happening. If they get someone to run 7:35 I will be impressed.
What's going to be even worse than this scenario is if they ever go for the 10,000 WR. Who would pace that through 13:00? I look at these situations as becoming even more difficult as times get faster.
That issue is already prevalent for 10000m pacing for Women, prominently on display at The TEN this year.
In order to pace for the standard 30:40, you needed someone to go through 5K around 15-15:10 or faster. The list of people who can do that in America is already pretty low and excludes most college age athletes as that is around their PR. And any American pro that can pace that time is probably good enough to just compete for the 10K standard themselves or save their health for a good 5K attempt later in the year. So you struggle to find local pacers.
Sound Running would have had to shell a lot of money out to get good pacers, and there is a chance there straight up just weren't any available considering the pacers they did get in the end.
I think Kimeli or another sub 13 runner paced Cheptegei in the 10k
Yes it was Kimeli and he went 5200 or so. For this race, the best pacer on the planet right now is Daniel Kyumbe Munguti. Problem is he needs a qualifying time for the 1500, and Oslo might be a good spot for him after running 3:33.7A in Kenya. He was the best pacesetter last year helping Jakob in his 2 mile World Record. Jakob himself was impressed by how much pacing he got at that speed. I don’t know who the best athlete to take it on otherwise, as the Aussies are pretty limited and the up-and-coming Kenyans/Ethiopians (Kiplangat, Masai, Kemboi, Mehary) look over qualified.
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OK, but 59.6 is closer to 60 and his penultimate lap was 59.9. Why would someone going for a WR, not push as hard as he possibly could through to the finish line, and increase his pace if possible? If he wasn’t maxed, how many seconds did he leave on the table?
That the humidity affected his performance is an argument for him having run all out.
Well part of it is drafting / having someone to run with in those other laps. Yes, when you are running 12:3X pace, you're not going to be able to close much better than your average lap, but the 59.6 close still is faster, and if he had a body to run behind a bit longer.
Just went back to watch the tape -- Ramsden went to 2400m and then bowed out and Chep led the remaining 2600m. That plus it being around 70 degrees -- I gotta think there's room to improve there.
Josh Kerr might be the ideal pacer on Norweigian soil. He and Jakob is not gonna run each other before the Olympics anyway, and he's less merited in the 5000, so he's got nothing to lose giving it a crack, and everything to win if he has a good day and decides to stick with leaders beyond 3000 or 3400 or 3800, whatever number of laps the Diamond League will pay him to ramp up interest even more for this race.
OK, but 59.6 is closer to 60 and his penultimate lap was 59.9. Why would someone going for a WR, not push as hard as he possibly could through to the finish line, and increase his pace if possible? If he wasn’t maxed, how many seconds did he leave on the table?
That the humidity affected his performance is an argument for him having run all out.
He did run all out. I read his post-race interview (both him and his coach Addy Ruiter spoke) and they both said the heat and humidity definitely affected the performance. Before the race Ruiter said himself he thought Chep was in 12:30 shape. We will never know obviously but he definitely was a better runner at one time than 12:35.
What a coach says isn’t necessary realistic, but maybe. A 12:30 does equate to 7:48 for 2 miles and 26:00, so it does seem improbable.
He did run all out. I read his post-race interview (both him and his coach Addy Ruiter spoke) and they both said the heat and humidity definitely affected the performance. Before the race Ruiter said himself he thought Chep was in 12:30 shape. We will never know obviously but he definitely was a better runner at one time than 12:35.
What a coach says isn’t necessary realistic, but maybe. A 12:30 does equate to 7:48 for 2 miles and 26:00, so it does seem improbable.
Considering he ran over half of the race by himself, I don't know why it's improbable. Do I think he was in 12:30 shape? Maybe not, but it certainly wasn't improbable. Hey may have been.
I think Kimeli or another sub 13 runner paced Cheptegei in the 10k
Yes it was Kimeli and he went 5200 or so. For this race, the best pacer on the planet right now is Daniel Kyumbe Munguti. Problem is he needs a qualifying time for the 1500, and Oslo might be a good spot for him after running 3:33.7A in Kenya. He was the best pacesetter last year helping Jakob in his 2 mile World Record. Jakob himself was impressed by how much pacing he got at that speed. I don’t know who the best athlete to take it on otherwise, as the Aussies are pretty limited and the up-and-coming Kenyans/Ethiopians (Kiplangat, Masai, Kemboi, Mehary) look over qualified.
Munguti looked like he was giving it everything he had when they showed a side panning camera angle of him maybe 20 seconds before he dropped out of the pacing. Just gutting out as many meters as he could for Jakob but also correctly judging when he should drop so he doesn't force an awkward pass or slow down by staying in too long.
Never seen a pacer put in that kind of effort before, but I'm also not usually watching WR attempts so idk.
Munguti looked like he was giving it everything he had when they showed a side panning camera angle of him maybe 20 seconds before he dropped out of the pacing. Just gutting out as many meters as he could for Jakob but also correctly judging when he should drop so he doesn't force an awkward pass or slow down by staying in too long.
Never seen a pacer put in that kind of effort before, but I'm also not usually watching WR attempts so idk.
It was notably good and committed to the task at hand. He’s an excellent XC runner and I think that toughness and gauge of what he had left was why he was able to execute that so well.
Also Kerr is not doing the Pre -> Oslo travel unnecessarily. Outside of Norwegians I’d be pretty surprised if many are. Makes much more sense to run one or the other and then gear up for Trials/Europeans, what have you
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