a lot of posts here referencing EPO yet very few ethiopians are ever busted for drugs. seems like a lot of people are getting mixed up with their kenyan neighbours. completely different cultures, people, and attitudes towards cheating.
Wasn’t there a WA or WADA report last year that revealed that the Ethiopian elites are the most tested athletes in the world? Plus they’re racing all year round in every competition possible on all surfaces all around the world. So if all of them are doping as you claimed, then they are being very reckless about it. The Kenyans disappear for half of the year and don’t race despite always complaining about how they have to run to escape poverty…….not suspicious at all
Yes, AIU said last year that they're testing in Ethiopia but they just aren't testing positive like the Kenyans. There was an article in LetsRun about it.
basically the "ethiopians are all doping" is a claim backed up by zero evidence, seemingly based on the fact that they are fast and have a similar skin colour to the kenyans.
It took a while for AIU testing in Kenya to hit the mark, and the Kenyan govt has seemed cooperative. Very doubtful that the system is working as well in Ethiopia or if the logitics are better. When Haylom won the world U20 1500, the second place runner was caught doping. Must be so naturally talented she can even defeat a Kenyan dope cheat. So is it the Ethiopian running gene now? Lol. They are doping because the times clearly indicate it and because we have another shabby poison for peanuts operation going on.
what is your evidence that testing in ethiopia is worse than in kenya? why would the system not work as well in another country when it is the same organisation, the AIU, doing the testing?
even if you are right about that, why are they not being caught in competition when abroad, like the kenyans are?
there are too many things that don't line up with your argument that all/most fast ethiopians are doping. all the evidence points to ethiopians not doping on anywhere near the scale the kenyans are.
Common sense. A few years back people were making the same statements about Kenya. Give it time. Apologists and diehards are last to confront reality. You still think this is a sport and that runners who cam dominate a dirty sport are magically clean. Charming.
Common sense. A few years back people were making the same statements about Kenya. Give it time. Apologists and diehards are last to confront reality. You still think this is a sport and that runners who cam dominate a dirty sport are magically clean. Charming.
There are PED's being used by the Kenyan's and Ethipoian's. The testing in these country's however is getting much better and more athletes are being caught. But it is a huge mistake for any second tier distance running nation, like the US, to say all East African performances are all from doping. With this thinking we will not learn and improve and have a chance of catching up.
There are PED's being used by the Kenyan's and Ethipoian's. The testing in these country's however is getting much better and more athletes are being caught. But it is a huge mistake for any second tier distance running nation, like the US, to say all East African performances are all from doping. With this thinking we will not learn and improve and have a chance of catching up.
What does “Learn and improve” look like? Can female and male marathoners do the same thing, and run like Assefa and Kiptum?
We are fat friendly here in the US. Fat women are embraced like never before. Coaches have to lie to their athletes about their poor eating habits and pretend they don’t see what they see…as long as fatty feels good about herself. We have no chance unless our diet only consists of tainted burritos.
I think you are way off base. I agree that the "body positivity" culture can be out of hand sometimes and that people in American are indeed usually overweight, but that doesn't really matter when we are talking about our most elite 1500m runners.
To claim Americans are fat (while true) doesn't really matter to our top runners because they are not fat. Perhaps you think, "if some of the fat people were thinner, they would increase the pool of elite runners we could draw from and we'd be better." I really doubt that among the overweight population there is a bunch of "diamonds in the rough" who could run 3:55 if they were thin. That is wishful thinking.
The reality is that your body reflects your genetic phenotype. As a nation, we are who we are (and then we get fat or thin based on diet and exercise). But we just don't have that many athletes who are built to be naturally narrow boned, 5'1 and 95 lbs. That was never a common American body-type for adults, even before the days of obesity. Do you think pioneer women were built like that in the 1800s? Do you think they were "overeating" and obese? No, neither... that is just not who we are.
Now a year from now they'll finally get added to the WADA testing pool, and then another year for them to have 3 whereabout failures, and several more months for it to come out. So they can dope for a few years and nothing will be done about it.
Here is one more example. Imagine if you are 6'1 and are trying to weigh the same as a bunch of Ethiopian guys? You would have to starve yourself to get to their natural weight. Being "bigger" is just not useful if you are trying to run faster... How big were Geb and Aouita and most of the stars? None of those guys is huge.
Here is our best 5000m guy from my generation. He is just too big. When he was at his peak he cut weight to get down to 142. He was starving himself. His competition was naturally 128 without dieting.
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