Where is the Nico Young Sub-13 Excitement?

This question has already been answered on the board. The reason is the shoes have more of an effect at slower paces. That’s why we see the big improvements in records at 5,000 and up. You really think Fisher is so much better than Kennedy?

I weep for the future (of basic education in statistics).

Yes. I know Grant has the shoes, but lets not forget Grant's 10k pr is over a minute faster than Kennedy's. Grant may not be more talented, but people nowadays have a much more scientific approach to training that is the main contributor to faster times.

Very little has ever been answered in any thread on this board. I don’t agree that the shoes are only affecting slower paces. That’s like claiming they help at 4:20 pace, and not 4:10. Assuming that Kennedy was as talented Fisher, is just an opinion.

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Or they don't think he's the next coming of Rupp? He's been working out incredibly hard (7x 1k at 3k pace in September in xc) since high school and is near his peak already?

It's exactly this. Sub 13 isn't the huge deal that it was 10-20 years ago. Give it another 10 years and it will be even more commonplace.

Yes to all of these. I'd also probably had Nico just doesn't have an engaging public persona. Very much like Rupp. I don't recall fans and media going crazy when Rupp first broke 13:00. Nothing wrong with that, both athletes are dedicated to their craft and like keeping things close to their chest.

Just a reminder to everyone who says BU times don't count, Rupp was unable to break 13 at BU despite perfect pacing. He did break 13 outdoors though. The new shoes are a different debate.

I can’t believe people are discounting the “super” shoes and bouncy tracks. There is a reason why these factors are considered advancements in technology. They allow people to run faster. No one here has been able to communicate advancements in training methods which are different and would cause the fast times. It’s the track and shoes. it’s not just the sun 13 performances, it the seemingly routine 13:45 performances also

You’re taking PRs at face value. Kennedy’s fastest 10K was run in 2004, or 8 years after his 5000 PR. He ran multiple 5000’s that year and didn’t break 13:30.

I think people are waiting for him to win something important before getting too hyped. He has put up good times in the past, fast times only matter so much. And there were other people who broke 13 on the same day, so it's not like he's way ahead of other people running in the United States right now. The bar for him now is he needs to win NCAAs or make a US team. Being 2nd at NCAAs isn't going to get people excited, and neither will being 5th at the US championships

You’re kinda DUMB … get a grip; the shoes are making a huge impact and that BU track is spooky fast.

“Get a grip; the shoes are making a huge impact”. That’s all you got? I guess I’m dumb, and you’re dumber.

As for the BU track, I’m fine with the best runners training through the meet and focusing on outdoors.

They have. WTF have you been watching these last 3 years?

OK. On the men’s side, name a single track WR that has been improved significantly. Jakob’s 2-mile WR would be the exception, but the conversion is only one second faster than Komen’s WR.

12:57 is an incredible 5K time in any era. Nico is the NCAA record holder. There have been many great NCAA 5K runners and Nico is at the top of the list.

Why don't women's records count?

That’s the indoor NCAA record holder. The outdoor record of 13:06 is the one that counts.