Nico Young’s mile potential is underrated

king999 wrote:

You could not be more wrong

you are right that I am a huge fan of the talent andvthe coach

But none if that clouds my objectivity

Kessler was 19 when he ran 7:39 actually

converting an altitude acclimated mile by Young down by 9 seconds is ludicrous

think about this , because this was my point. Kessler was 5 seconds better at 1500m going into this year. Using straight line math, but not even the 5 secs, you would give Kessler 3:53/4 ar altitude so 3:44 or 3:45 mile?
i wish that were true, and hope so but doubt it.

Thats why i think Nico's run may be a 3:53 maybe 52 effort, not givibg away 9 secs to a guy training at altitude for 3 years

king999 wrote:

But Keino was never in 3:30 shape even

he ran the event dozens of times

never faster than in Mexico City!

TheRealScotty wrote:

Nico Young is not a miler. If Kessler cannot beat him at a mile, God help him. Kessler needs to get his own shop in order. Had a mediocre year last year. Hopefully he improves. If not, he's gonna have big problems with real milers once again. Certainly a talented guy.

Nico Young is a 3k/5k guy. Has already won in 7:37 in December. This 3:57.33 at 7000 feet is very impressive. He could probably go 3:52.0 running out of his event.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

king999 wrote:

But Keino was never in 3:30 shape even

he ran the event dozens of times

never faster than in Mexico City!

Yeah he ran 3:34.9 in Mexico City and then his mile PB (3:53.1h) was in Kenya, too. It’s probably fair to say the guy wasn’t frequently getting DL setups with wavelight to chase records. We probably didn’t see his maximal potential at sea level, but I agree that altitude clearly had a marginal effect on him.

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king999 wrote:

TheRealScotty wrote:

Nico Young is not a miler. If Kessler cannot beat him at a mile, God help him. Kessler needs to get his own shop in order. Had a mediocre year last year. Hopefully he improves. If not, he's gonna have big problems with real milers once again. Certainly a talented guy.

Nico Young is a 3k/5k guy. Has already won in 7:37 in December. This 3:57.33 at 7000 feet is very impressive. He could probably go 3:52.0 running out of his event.

Mediorcre year? I guess so if PRs in three main events is that. Many should have a mediocre year.

800M 1:45.x

1500 3:32.x

7:39 3K at still 19

If you are referring to Worlds Q? There was no guarantee he was making that team

colorunner123 wrote:

Foooo wrote:

The thing that I cannot understand is why one race is causing so many to overreact. What about finishing 26.5 seconds behind Graham Blanks in a 10000m at NCAA Cross Country 2 months ago? Does that race matter at all?

because a 3:57 at 6900 feet altitude is the equivalent of a low 350s mile at sea level, which is extraordinary. The OP's point is that Young is thought of as a long distance runner, but he may be better suited to the 1500/3000/5000 than the 10000. Citing Young's lackluster performance at the NCAA Cross Country championships doesn't rebut the OP's point. It actually reinforces it.

colorunner123 wrote:

Foooo wrote:

The thing that I cannot understand is why one race is causing so many to overreact. What about finishing 26.5 seconds behind Graham Blanks in a 10000m at NCAA Cross Country 2 months ago? Does that race matter at all?

because a 3:57 at 6900 feet altitude is the equivalent of a low 350s mile at sea level, which is extraordinary. The OP's point is that Young is thought of as a long distance runner, but he may be better suited to the 1500/3000/5000 than the 10000. Citing Young's lackluster performance at the NCAA Cross Country championships doesn't rebut the OP's point. It actually reinforces it.

4:20 is not that fast wrote:

Jakobosa wrote:

Obviously Nico Young’s never been seen as a 1500/miler, but the dude ran 3:37 when he was a teenager. Then he runs a 3:57 at altitude and, conversions aside, he beat a 3:38 and a 3:39 guy by six seconds. This all hints that he could be a formidable 1500-5k guy.

He’s seen as having not a lot of top end speed, but Jakob and Nordas have shown that with incredible aerobic endurance you don’t necessarily need 1:45 speed to be a great miler/5k guy. I could see Nico running a 3:29 1500m and 12:50 5k like Katir in a few years.

He’s still going to need faster than 1:52 speed.

The Avenging Angel wrote:

4:20 is not that fast wrote:

He’s still going to need faster than 1:52 speed.

Good thing he ran 1:49 and closed a mile in 1:53 on the same day

Jakobosa wrote:

4:20 is not that fast wrote:

1:50 tops, which is what Rupp ran.

Rupp ran 1:49, not crazy too think Nico could be in 1:49/3:34/7:30/12:58 type shape right now

4:20 is not that fast wrote:

Jakobosa wrote:

Obviously Nico Young’s never been seen as a 1500/miler, but the dude ran 3:37 when he was a teenager. Then he runs a 3:57 at altitude and, conversions aside, he beat a 3:38 and a 3:39 guy by six seconds. This all hints that he could be a formidable 1500-5k guy.

He’s seen as having not a lot of top end speed, but Jakob and Nordas have shown that with incredible aerobic endurance you don’t necessarily need 1:45 speed to be a great miler/5k guy. I could see Nico running a 3:29 1500m and 12:50 5k like Katir in a few years.

He’s still going to need faster than 1:52 speed.

Jakobosa wrote:

4:20 is not that fast wrote:

He’s still going to need faster than 1:52 speed.

1:47 now