Not sure that an athlete that wants to go to the Olympics needs a coach that worships them. it’s cute for the college level but pros is a different world - and Kaitlyn has actually underperformed at her last two peak meets (outdoor nationals and fall xc nationals) - not sure that’s great coaching
Since we're talking about recruiting--what does it mean to be a "good recruiter"? Tuohy told the story about how Henes stopped calling her, and the reason being she wanted Tuohy to see if she liked the school for herself. But that seemed to make Katelyn think she wasn't recruiting her anymore.
I essentially recruited myself to my college. My coaches didn't do much, but I still went there and still contributed.
I think good recruiting goes hand in hand with good coaching. If a kid sees a quality coach, who builds a strong team of successful runners, they will want to be a part of that program. The coaches don't have to do much to "sell" the school.
At the risk of sounding a bit mean, NC-State isn't...like... a shiny school. Not compared to neighbors, Duke and UNC. Think of the schools NC-State has to compete against for recruits; Georgetown, Villanova, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ivys, Stanford the list goes on, and yet these kids choose NC-State to come to. IDK about Tuohy's grades, but most XC runners are top students too and have their pick of the litter.
Since we're talking about recruiting--what does it mean to be a "good recruiter"? Tuohy told the story about how Henes stopped calling her, and the reason being she wanted Tuohy to see if she liked the school for herself. But that seemed to make Katelyn think she wasn't recruiting her anymore.
I essentially recruited myself to my college. My coaches didn't do much, but I still went there and still contributed.
I think good recruiting goes hand in hand with good coaching. If a kid sees a quality coach, who builds a strong team of successful runners, they will want to be a part of that program. The coaches don't have to do much to "sell" the school.
At the risk of sounding a bit mean, NC-State isn't...like... a shiny school. Not compared to neighbors, Duke and UNC. Think of the schools NC-State has to compete against for recruits; Georgetown, Villanova, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ivys, Stanford the list goes on, and yet these kids choose NC-State to come to. IDK about Tuohy's grades, but most XC runners are top students too and have their pick of the litter.
As you are alluding to, when it comes to recruiting top D1 athletes, a lot of it comes down to the coach at that particular program, as well as the recent level of success of that particular program -- and not the level of success of other sports at the same school or how big of a "brand" the school has athletically as a whole. Duke and UNC currently have a bigger "brand" than NC State in sports like men's basketball, soccer, and field hockey. But NC State excels over those two schools in many other sports -- including cross country, wrestling, swimming, women's basketball (recently). In the 45 years of women's cross country in the ACC, NC State has won 29 conference championships, while UNC has only won 4 and Duke 2.
Way more than I realized. How many does Virginia have?
Correction. There's been 46 years of women's cross country in the ACC....begun in 1978. Virginia has won 3 conference championships, FSU with 6 (one vacated).
The Atlantic Coast Conference awards championships in 26 sports—12 men's, 14 women's (women's gymnastics was added for the 2023-24 school year with the addition of Clemson), and one coeducational (fencing, which was relaunche...
Those people were incorrect. Henes knew better. She is a superior recruiter.
I think you are giving her too much credit in recruiting Tuohy. Tuohy in her recent interview was a little surprised that Henes did not call as often as other coaches. NC State, and they have said this, seems to rely on letting athletes see their program/athletes in action and how they interact, and lets the recruit decide if that is appealing. It happened to be appealing to Tuohy. And every other program lost out.
In the Fiona Smith thread I posted a link to an interview with her and in it she touches on her visit to NC St and what drew her to the team.
You want an all-star team check the Stanford women's roster. Dont see them having 3 straight titles.
Elly Henes improved once she got to altitude. Like many runners do. She is also still exceptionally well coached with Mike Smith. You don't have to put Laurie Henes down to say that Smith is doing a great job with Elly Henes.
Exactly. There a few programs with higher rated recruiting classes than NC State over the past few years that are nowhere near the level of NC State in that time period. Tuohy and Chmiel were obviously very highly rated coming out of high school...but many of their key runners over the last few seasons were not that highly rated prior to getting to NC State, but were developed into great runners -- including Samantha Bush and and Ally Hays.
agree-mark of a great coach is developing runners that weren't Footlocker champs coming into college--Henes make all-Americans 6-7 years ago out of runners like Erika Kemp and Rachel Koon yet had a bad rep for the Frazier sisters getting injured; It was difficult in that situation where their father was trying to be coach and they were doing separate workouts from the team...
Yes that is a privately funded scholarship. It is completely different from what somebody initially said that the school gives a family discount and that there are reciprocal schools. That is a private school thing. NC State has hundreds of scholarships available for very specific things because that is what the donors dictated.
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