Is it time to get rid of the NXR New York regional?

It was absolutely needed back in the day. Because it was needed for so many years, I am not for nixing it for a couple of bad ones, New York XC can make a huge resurgence.

What I never understood was why New York just doesn't use Federations as their qualifier the way CA uses the state meet. That way, top New York individuals can do Footlocker if they want too.

Ok. What does that gain them? They are Nike, it's not like this matters at all in any way financially. They aren't selling out a second Bowl Game for the price of one.

fair amount of talent over the years from Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio & Missouri.

it is absolutely unfair to these Midwest teams and individuals to make them eliminate each other while Cali and NY get 1 less race late in the year AND send at least 2 teams automatically.

California teams race non stop starting November. Especially the Southern Section. They have:

1) League Finals

2) CIF Prelims

3) CIF Finals

4) State Meet

So I don't know where you get the idea that California races less. If anything they race more. Most California teams average 10-12 meets in a season.

IL :

conference

regional

sectional

state

nxr

so, yeah would be nice to use state (like Cali and ny) as their own NXR instead of having it fall on the 5th straight important Saturday in a row.

Half of all the team titles awarded at NTN / NXN since its inception have been won by NY teams.

That's right... half.

Chew on that, then think about contracting some other region.

Brooo what are you smoking?

Illinois State Meet- 11/4

NXR Midwest- 11/12

Then you have almost three full weeks of no racing until NXN on 12/2. Why are you crying?

Historically the answer is no. I think they'd need a few years of this trend to do it.

I once had a kid finish 15th in NY and he would have made it if he lived anywhere else in the Northeast. But, NY, especially boys, have been weaker lately.

From Nike's standpoint they get more runners with NY separate. I can see keeping it for that reason.

I am reposting this from an old thread. Gives some interesting insights. Obviously, needs to be updated but its food for thought.

Because I was curious, I decided to find the average place of the top 2 teams from each region over every iteration of NXN (2008-2019) in an attempt to objectively determine which regions were the strongest. Here's the results:

Boys:
1. Southwest - 6.5
2. California - 7.3
3. Midwest - 8.2
4. Northwest - 10.2
5. New York - 11.0
6. Northeast - 11.3
7. South - 13.2
8. Southeast - 13.6
9. Heartland - 13.8

Unsurprisingly, this list is headed by Southwest, California, and Midwest. These three regions are definitely the most consistent, especially the Southwest, and probably deserve priority on at-large bids if there is some doubt. If there's ever any consideration to change the regions, then adding from the Southwest to the South and from the Midwest to the Heartland would make the most sense.

Girls:
1. New York - 4.1
2-3. California/Southwest - 7.6
4. Midwest - 8.8
5. Northwest - 12.0
6. Heartland - 12.5
7. Southeast - 12.8
8. South - 16
9. Northeast - 16.5

The dominance of New York girls is really insane. On the boys side, there has only ever been one 1-2 finish, by California in 2019. On the girls side, FM and Saratoga did it three times in a row from 2009-2011. The switch to Glendoveer has evened things up a little, but New York is still dominant; only two NXN or NTN races have ever been won by a team from another region. This is part of the reason for the South and Northeast having such high average placements, but dang it would be nice to see those regions get some help.

Combined:
1. Southwest - 7.1
2. California - 7.5
3. New York - 7.5
4. Midwest - 8.5
5. Northwest - 11.1
6. Heartland - 13.2
7. Southeast - 13.2
8. Northeast - 13.9
9. South - 14.6

The trends pretty much stay the same. The South desperately needs some more states, at this point in time it's pretty much just been a Texas region. Missouri and New Mexico make the most sense, but no matter what something needs to change. Unfortunately California and New York cannot be made any weaker unless you split them into multiple regions (perhaps adding NC schools to Northwest and Long Island schools to Northeast). I am also unsure if this data should really be given any weight in pre-season rankings; the top 4 regions have a lot of strong, perennially competitive teams, but it doesn't mean any team in the region is automatically better than an equivalent team in a different region. Just an interesting exercise, and I'm curious to hear what people think. Are these results what you expected? Do you think the regions need to be adjusted? Any other thoughts?

So if you started from scratch the ideal prep for qualifying would be having nxr fall on the 5th Saturday in a row. No.

1) Combine the Regional

2) Move the meet to VCP

And the program that won most of those titles has a single-digit roster now and doesn’t even go to Nike regionals as a team anymore

Make Texas it's own region.

Reconfigure the South and Southeast regions.

20 auto qualifying teams with 4 at large bids.

5 individuals per region with 7 at large bids.

225 field size.

Corporations don't do what makes sense, they do what makes money.

As a New Yorker I hate to admit it...but one more year of these results and they should.

Where do you think Monroe Woodbury will finish next year? They return their 2-6.

Embarrassing performance by NY boys. Terrible. Mayclim only good race.

On the girls side, the New York & Northeast teams went:

5th

6th

10th

11th

Yeah the northeast region is always just… CBA, CBA, CBA