Where to go after juco

I'm sorry for causing any trouble I was only asking a question. I have another year until I am 20 and my major takes 5 years so I would be able to redshirt a year. I'll try and shoot for out of state division 3. Thank you for your help :)

I know it's not fast at all but I'm coming from breaking 17 only once in high school. I think I'll do much better this track season too but who knows.

I know I won't continue competing after college I was just asking where my times would get me. What's wrong with a school like Weber St?

Nothing wrong with it. But if you can go to a better academic school with better name recognition and network, you should. My point is your academic goals should be first and running a far distant second. The D1 athlete label is meaningless after you graduate - maybe some sales guys prefer athletes, but most hiring managers and all grad schools do not care at all.

That's true and a hard to swallow pill since running has been so important to me. Thankfully all of this discourse about this topic has help me realize how much more important academics are in the long run. Running has nothing to do with computer science. But no matter what situation I find myself in these next fews year I will continue to run either on a team or not since it makes me happy. I would like to thank you for snuffing out any delusions I had and responding to my posts. :)

I said A top 12 ranked team. The 11th ranked team is George Fox and he has raced and beaten every single guy on that team twice this year.

Don't let the idiots get you down. You could certainly walk on to most D1s that aren't top 30 type teams, as long as they don't have roster limits. A lot of schools sadly have pretty strict roster number limits due to Football and title IX. But don't necessarily restrict yourself to that. D2 and NAIA are great choices and there are plenty in the area like Eastern Oregon, Oregon Tech, LCSC, Corban, Northwest, College of Idaho, etc in NAIA (The Cascade Conference is loaded with NAIA ranked schools), and DIIs like Western Washington, Western Oregon, Alaska Anchorage...

Every one of those schools has a good team that would be benefitted by adding you. And some of them would certainly have some amount of money for you, if your grades are good. I would suggest looking into which schools have your academic program of choice, and reach out to them.

And you are incorrect. He couldn't beat a scoring guy on a top 12 team let alone beat their number one.

Top 30? You are getting more ridiculous by the second. If you don't score at the conference track meet, you are of no value. Top 30 teams have 5 sub 14 guys and the conferences have a dozen sub 14 guys. A respectable D1 team will not even respond to this guy. I look forward to him providing his updates.

A terrible D1 program in my area brought in 3 freshmen this year. They all ran sub 16 XC 5k in high school and tike like 9:10 3200.

The 35th ranked team had 7 guys run 4:08 or faster in the mile indoor this year and 7 guys run 8:22 or faster in the 3000. Tell me again how the OP would help that team. Maybe by being the team manager.

There are TONS of D1 Teams that would take a sub 25 and sub 15 guy, because there are a TON of D1 teams.

Alan

Name 5 who will take a 20 year old JUCO transfer with a 15 minute PR. I will check with the teams as soon as you provide the names.

You're all worked up aren't you?

they vary. i saw one he's top 2. in another he's top 8. like i was saying, those good D3s are almost like weak D1s. that is not every D3 and some of those other D3s are excellent academically just not elite nationally. and he would have a fight in that venn overlap. to me it's avoid the good D1s with his numbers. after that it's preference and/or strategy. weak D1. strong D3. ok D3. i thought he could dominate your average D3 conference. he then could "make" the weak D1 and strong D3 IMO. but he won't achieve as much individually. so it's like do i want to be part of something but not do a lot myself or do i want to make personal waves at a more average program.

first place in SWAC XC men 8k conference was 26:16. the course didn't look that hilly though it does have a significant "dirt" running section. he would obviously help there although HBCU is complicated depending on his background.

patriot league conference you had 4 total guys <25 and several whole teams averaging 26 or 27. ditto. i looked up the list i gave him. i get it's hard to compare apples to apples in XC but methinks if your PR is faster than their fastest guy or the average at conference, that may not mean you're their top guy, there i agree on translating, but he just wants to be on the team. surely he can. to me "walkon" interest usually starts at a number right around what would be "points-paying" at conference. ie they want someone who can come in and help.

now, SEC, i agree, 60 guys run <25 at conference. those individuals and teams are some of the ones populating nationals. but odds are most of them say no and if you find a rare taker it's do i want to finish near last every week to say i was D1 and SEC.

but anyhow, i definitely looked up the names i gave him. i didn't spitball. they were all like teams or conferences averaging higher 20s. at which point my D3 brain starts shouting "i know D3s faster than that." or more average D3s where he'd be top dog. at which point i'm like present the dude a few style choices. do i beg my way in SEC to finish near last? do i go to a weaker D1 to compete? do i go to an elite D3 with similar speed that will compete better nationally? do i go to an average D3 and rack up some personal achievements? to me it's how you're wired.

i think it's great we have all the data at our fingertips now, when i was being recruited it was essentially pre-internet and with D3 being under radar hard to tell one from another. i also in the absence of internet couldn't tell what my best events were. now you can cut the crap and see numbers.

do you just want out of the pacific NW? there are some pretty good D2s there, as someone noted, as well as a D3 conference in OR and WA of former NAIA schools, all pretty solid academically.

we played at UC santa cruz and that place is d3 and amazing. the soccer field is top of a hill looking out into monterey bay. they are in an unusual conference with a lot of cross-country travel.

SCIAC down near LA has several pretty good teams. further east, NESCAC, liberty league, UAA, johns hopkins is pretty good.

Reach out to UMKC, Clif is a knowledgeable coach and he would be interested in speaking with you.

My daughter ran Juco XC for a pretty good team. Her coach had a lot of relationships with colleges of 4 year programs.

Now that Nationals are over, you can add your results to your running resume and hopefully your coach will send some texts to friends on your behalf.