Titus Ekiru makes at least three Kenyans at 2:03:13 or better to be caught doping, along with Lawrence Cherono and Wilson Kipsang, the former world record holder.
And Kipsang did it w/o the super shoes. I believe he only had Boost before he stopped racing.
Rekrunner will be here in a moment to explain that EPO doesn't work on Kenyans with no neanderthal DNA.
I seriously wonder what it would be like to live inside your head.
Looks like Titus Ekiru was busted for triamcinolone acetonide and pethidine. Not sure these are the new super-PEDs people are looking for. Triamcinolone acetonide has been around since 1958 and pethidine since 1938.
With respect to "DNA", I don't think East African world dominance is genetic, but environmental.
With respect to "neanderthal", I have no clue what you want to say, but it seems highly insulting, if not racist.
With respect to "EPO works", anyone living and training at altitude has continuously stimulated EPO, and therefore continuous production of new RBCs. It's like natural, WADA-legal, continuous EPO micro-dosing 24x7x365x4life. I would think populations living their whole lives and training at altitude would disproportionately dominate events where "EPO works".
I would wonder what it is like to live inside your head, but given you've posted over a million words here arguing epo doesn't work, I doubt if there is much room left in there.
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At this point the records and wins are pretty much a joke.
Do people really believe that somehow after a few thousand years of human existence that all of a sudden in the last 5-10 years people magically evolved athletically.
Look back at the people that held world records in the marathon. Certainly some barrier breakers like Jim Peters going from 2:20:42 in 1952 to 2:18:40 on the same course in 1953. It took 11 record-setters and 12 years to get the mark to 2:12:00. It took 20 more years to get to Carlos Lopes in 2:07:12 in Rotterdam in 1985. Then in 1988 Belayney Densamo ran 2:06:50 at Rotterdam in 1988. That record stood 10 years until 1998. I would say that 2:06:50 at Rotterdam in 1988 was the real deal. Ethiopians weren't plentiful and not doing PEDS at that point. Great course and great athlete.
The 90s' brought in EPO and in 1998 the record was finally broken. And after that everything has been somewhat questionable either to PEDs, shoes or association with shady people.
Look at Bikila who only ended up with a pb of 2:12 (obviously the WR at the time).
He was picked out from hundreds of thousands of Ethiopian soldiers for his obvious distance running talent, and sent away to train full-time for years at a high-altitude camp paid for by the emperor. He would run 150+ miles a week, with regular speed work on the track. All with the aim of winning gold in Rome amd avenging the emperor who had seen his country conquered by Italy just 20 years previously.
He was very likely being given the best 'supplements' available at the time too.
Yet a guy like Kiptum is running 12 minutes faster and he's just getting started.
Nothing loss for him. He gathered more wealth than he could have done otherwise. He is what like 2:10 guy at most without doing which he wasn't gonna get peanuts outside of free gear.
yeah and if you could read, you'd know he has to pay that all back...
Lol rekrunner coming to the defence of yet another drug cheat - what a surprise.
Let me guess: he didn't really dope, it didn't help him, and he doped only twice, amirite? Plus one cannot trust WADA and AIU "experts". So he is innocent like Kiprop and Houlihan.
With respect to "yet another drug cheat", I said "Looks like Titus Ekiru was busted for triamcinolone acetonide and pethidine." (as opposed to EPO, in Coevett's post).
I guess to some, confirming the offense must look like a "defense". The AIU said the same thing, so I guess they also came to the defense of another drug cheat.
Lame excuse rekrunner. You said so much more, first trying to downplay the offense as usual ("Not sure these are the new super-PEDs people are looking for." - the AIU did not say that at all!) and then started your typical obfuscation with yet another irrelevant wall of text, trying to go off topic with a "super-PEDs" discussion out of nowhere.
I would wonder what it is like to live inside your head, but given you've posted over a million words here arguing epo doesn't work, I doubt if there is much room left in there.
I just claimed, again, that altitude, which stimulates EPO continuously, "works".
I just wonder how you can think clearly about anything, as having to keep track of all these extra lies you tell yourself prevents you from correctly interpreting what was actually posted.
And why are you talking about neanderthal DNA, or DNA at all? These are not my arguments.
What I now wonder is what Kenya has to do to actually get banned. Surely they are as bad as Russia was at this point?
To be comparable to Russia, the Kenyan government, Athletics Kenya, and Antidoping Kenya (ADAK) would have to be both doping all of their national/international athletes, and covering it up.
Kenyan athletes do it all by themselves. They don't need the help of their government.
As usual you miss - evade - the point. Doping isn't a problem because governments get involved; it's a problem because individual athletes dope. Which they do in Kenya in their droves.
Doping. Tampering. Collusion. Not much innocent intent there really. I can't see that there is any point arguing if the recent record breaking spree is clean. I think currently the WWF is more legitimate than global distance running.
WWF is now "WW Entertainment", because they can't eradicate doping. Running has gone the same way - but at least wrestling is now honest about it.
At this point the records and wins are pretty much a joke.
Do people really believe that somehow after a few thousand years of human existence that all of a sudden in the last 5-10 years people magically evolved athletically.
Look back at the people that held world records in the marathon. Certainly some barrier breakers like Jim Peters going from 2:20:42 in 1952 to 2:18:40 on the same course in 1953. It took 11 record-setters and 12 years to get the mark to 2:12:00. It took 20 more years to get to Carlos Lopes in 2:07:12 in Rotterdam in 1985. Then in 1988 Belayney Densamo ran 2:06:50 at Rotterdam in 1988. That record stood 10 years until 1998. I would say that 2:06:50 at Rotterdam in 1988 was the real deal. Ethiopians weren't plentiful and not doing PEDS at that point. Great course and great athlete.
The 90s' brought in EPO and in 1998 the record was finally broken. And after that everything has been somewhat questionable either to PEDs, shoes or association with shady people.
Look at Bikila who only ended up with a pb of 2:12 (obviously the WR at the time).
He was picked out from hundreds of thousands of Ethiopian soldiers for his obvious distance running talent, and sent away to train full-time for years at a high-altitude camp paid for by the emperor. He would run 150+ miles a week, with regular speed work on the track. All with the aim of winning gold in Rome amd avenging the emperor who had seen his country conquered by Italy just 20 years previously.
He was very likely being given the best 'supplements' available at the time too.
Yet a guy like Kiptum is running 12 minutes faster and he's just getting started.
Lame excuse rekrunner. You said so much more, first trying to downplay the offense as usual ("Not sure these are the new super-PEDs people are looking for." - the AIU did not say that at all!) and then started your typical obfuscation with yet another irrelevant wall of text, trying to go off topic with a "super-PEDs" discussion out of nowhere.
This may fool others, but I cannot take such compound dishonesty seriously.
I did say other things, but not with respect to "yet another drug cheat". I downplayed nothing about the actual offense, and otherwise provided no defense.
"Super PEDs" was not out of nowhere, but appears in several previous posts in this thread by "But It's The Shoes Breaking All The Records" and "deezenemious", suggesting the "Super PEDs" Ekiru used was "SARMS stacked with old fashioned masking agent + EPO + testosterone".
My statement about "Super PEDs" was just one line, and not a "wall of text".
The rest of my post are direct "on-topic" responses to three things that appear in Coevett's post, with one line for "DNA", one line for "neanderthal", and three lines confirming altitude, and therefore EPO, "works".
As usual you miss - evade - the point. Doping isn't a problem because governments get involved; it's a problem because individual athletes dope. Which they do in Kenya in their droves.
Actually, the point was "what Kenya has to do to actually get banned" and "Surely they are as bad as Russia".
If individual athletes dope, even in droves, the appropriate sanction is to ban the individual athletes.
Temp, you're alive! I was concerned after all of the bad news out of the region you're from. I'm not posting any more profiles of North African runners as no one seemed interested in the nice little bios that I put up.
What I now wonder is what Kenya has to do to actually get banned. Surely they are as bad as Russia was at this point?
To be comparable to Russia, the Kenyan government, Athletics Kenya, and Antidoping Kenya (ADAK) would have to be both doping all of their national/international athletes, and covering it up.
The Russian athletics ban due to so called "state doping program" has been over since March, 2023. Now they are banning them only because of the war in Ukraine. Obviously, they just don't want Russians competing - there is clearly an anti-Russia agenda. So this is much more political than anything else.
In the actual world, Russian anti-doping (RUSADA) was more effective in catching dopers than USADA.
IN this case, the Kenyan govt, athletics Kenya, and ADAk are completely ineffective, do not take steps to control doping, and as a result de facto approve of the doping. It clearly helps them. At the same time it is very likely all of the top Kenyan athletes dope. This farce will continue until they are banned.