What’s up with Joe Klecker and Kincaid?

Forget altitude, they need to set up a training camp in New Orleans or somewhere humid to prepare for the race conditions.

ridiculous to think you need to train everyday in heat and humidity to be heat acclimated.

They have protocols for this. very likely they take your advice they perform even worse

bigger issue for them is that their 5k times are cute in a field like you saw today. you have the WR holder and numerous others under 1250.

them doing solid performances and national champions is not much in a field like that

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when you compare these guys to how Monson ran, she shines even more

Klecker should switch from 10k focus to 5k focus TBH. He has great 1500m guys to train w/ for speed and can grind out the distance work.

Plus he is only 10-15s behind the Africans. If he can hone his kick I think he'd have a better chance in the 5k.

You make a valid point; every runner knows how difficult it is to run in the heat when you are not used to it. Even 70 degrees feels warm when you have been running in 50-degree temps. Also, anyone who considers themselves a long-distance runner should not be skipping the XC season. Besides that, you have to race with confidence; win or lose you have at least stay in contact with leaders to give yourself a shot. When you are dropped halfway into any race, you are basically conceding that you are there to compete.

So you don't think the top Kenyans and Ethiopians need to bring their A game for their trials races?

When the race broke open with the relapse to go everyone that was supposed to be there, was there.

Molly Seidel wouldn't have won a bronze in Tokyo if it were not for heat and humidity. East Africans are used to temperate climates, like in the Bay area, not anything extremely hot/ extremely cold/rainy.

That said, they're not out there long enough in the 10,000 to be so affected by the heat that talent doesn't count. If the field is running one minute slower, however, someone with less talent but uber toughness should be able to take advantage of that theoretically. But let's say someone runs their own race, even splits the whole way, no jostling, so they're ahead of the field at the beginning. The best of the field would just catch up with them and outkick them at the end. Even if all three Americans had worked together to run a 27:00, Cheptegai and company can run that even with a much slower first half.

That said, I think it would be fun to watch them try and they'd get a lot of credit for it plus come in top 8 even.

Monson supports your point — she ran in DLs etc and did well in her race. McGee also ran a bunch of DLs specifically for the prep it would provide her — and she made the final.

But these two and Naguse also show that it is quite possible for US distance athletes to compete in Europe.

Listen, I'm an American who roots for our team every championship.

But, let's face it, our team is generally not at the level of the East Africans. I agree to with those who are saying we need to get our athletes in the DL circuit and x-country and get then racing more. Take your lumps, put in the work, and learn how to race. Forget the silly smalltime time-trials....get out there and learn how to race. And no, you don't have to train all year in central FL to get used to the humidity, but at least do a few humid runs/simulations in a year where the championship is going to be hot so there are no surprises. Didn't Monson say she did that?

exactly. where was monson training? the same place as klecker

Bill Rodgers ran a 29:04 to win the Pepsi Challenge 10K in Omaha, NE, in 1981, the day after winning the Bix 7.

Klecker ran a tick faster today. So there's that.

Weird. How quickly do people have selective amnesia? Was not even a year ago and Fisher was destroying just about everyone in diamond leagues. He didn't go away. The US actually has a serious medal threat already. Period.

Not everyone is equally adept at running in heat, and yes, there's almost certainly a genetic component to it. It can be trained, but looking at Strava, I don't see any evidence that Klecker was heat training. But even if you train it, some people are going to be better at it than others. It was a probably a weakness that he didn't work on, and a natural disinclination combined with a lack of preparation ended with him getting lapped.

There's no other explanation for how a 12:55 guy could get lapped in a track race. He wilted in the heat.

Joe is basically this guy (his younger brother) deflated into a distance runner - so 90 degrees is not his friend:

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James Klecker (82) TE - Awards & Achievements 2022 Pioneer Football League Academic Honor Roll 2022 NFF Hampshire Honor Society 2022 Played in three games

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With that being said, his dad was a big guy who held the U.S. 50 mile record forever until it was broken by Walmsley. I can see Joe running a great Marathon time on a 50 degree day.

its only fisher. no american is on that level yet.

nuguse and nur might br close though. we will see shortly

a heat protocol doesn’t necessarily mean you do a session in extreme conditions.

explanation could be his season didnt go to plan.

us champs was his peak and this was not.

thats a totally plausible explanation

There is about a 500 watt difference between the heat Klecker is generating to that of Cheptegei et al.

That's going to make a difference on a very hot day.