Cap. Ben Crawford is closer to 20 y/o than he is is to 30 y/o you liar.
Why am I being downvoted for this? He graduated college in 2021...
Maybe it's the way you said it. Suburban white kids used to be more weary of copying black vernacular so much. It's pretty well documented how now they think it's just Gen Z/internet lingo, but nope, it's black language and privileged white kids using it is pretty cringe.
I watched one or two New Gen videos and they were chalk full of cringe crap like that. No cap, you sound like you're straight outta one of their vids.
Why am I being downvoted for this? He graduated college in 2021...
Maybe it's the way you said it. Suburban white kids used to be more weary of copying black vernacular so much. It's pretty well documented how now they think it's just Gen Z/internet lingo, but nope, it's black language and privileged white kids using it is pretty cringe.
I watched one or two New Gen videos and they were chalk full of cringe crap like that. No cap, you sound like you're straight outta one of their vids.
Sorry, dude, but racial gatekeeping the English language not a good look on you. Moreover, just change a few words around and this complaint could've been made over a hundred years ago, talk about a lost cause.
Y’all really just want this sport to go extinct, huh
If Matt Wisner doesn’t tell a minor to sexualize his old friend track and field won’t exist anymore apparently
How would this sport exist without creepy men like Ben Crawford taking the purity test with 15 year olds?
I think it's an important distinction that Ben C was not the one who was cited as doing this in the blog post. It in no way excuses him from responsibility, however, as he is basically the face of the camp...
Maybe it's the way you said it. Suburban white kids used to be more weary of copying black vernacular so much. It's pretty well documented how now they think it's just Gen Z/internet lingo, but nope, it's black language and privileged white kids using it is pretty cringe.
I watched one or two New Gen videos and they were chalk full of cringe crap like that. No cap, you sound like you're straight outta one of their vids.
Sorry, dude, but racial gatekeeping the English language not a good look on you. Moreover, just change a few words around and this complaint could've been made over a hundred years ago, talk about a lost cause.
I'm not gatekeeping, it's not my culture nor do I have a stake in it. I was responding to that poster with my opinion that the slang (cap) that preceded his factual statement was cringe and possibly the reason why it was downvoted. It was "extra" if you will.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they are black and I'm really wrong. Maybe I'm right and some young people make themselves look foolish from time to time. I don't care.
The biggest problem with new gen is Ben Crawford. I listened to him on Citius Podcast and it was total trash. He pretty much spewed verbal diarrhea for an hour using all this newspeak about social media and marketing. It's pretty clear that all the toxic nonsense they're publishing is his ideas and no one elses.
I agree there should be more exposure of our athletes and their personalities. New Gen just sucks at doing it.
This.
They're not doing anything new with their YouTube stuff. We've had pros/teams putting out workout videos forever. We have podcasts. We have websites. They think they're changing the game by being edgy but it just comes across as creepy.
If Matt Wisner doesn’t tell a minor to sexualize his old friend track and field won’t exist anymore apparently
How would this sport exist without creepy men like Ben Crawford taking the purity test with 15 year olds?
I think it's an important distinction that Ben C was not the one who was cited as doing this in the blog post. It in no way excuses him from responsibility, however, as he is basically the face of the camp...
Ah good catch I didn’t know that. It’s hard to keep track of which counselor did what honestly. There’s so much creepy stuff that’s come out about New Gen recently
A creative photoshoot with our campers was quickly taken out of context and labeled as something it was not.
We understand the concerns people have about what was being portrayed. Our intention has always been to empower our campers to execute and direct their own creative projects.
It is our number one goal to make sure our camp is a safe and empowering place for young creatives and young runners to learn and grow as people.
At no point during the course of camp was any camper ever made to feel uncomfortable, degraded, or victimized.
What started as a collaborative artistic idea between the young women and men campers has turned into something none of us ever expected.
We understand the concerns people have about what was being portrayed.
In a continued effort to draw inspiration form pop culture and insert it to the world of running, ideas were taken from famous high school movies. Mean Girls, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Breakfast Club, Dazed and Confused.
Because of constant portrayal of these situations in pop culture, it is seen by many as ok. However, we now know and understand that it is also harmful to many.
We love pop culture and will continue to incorporate it in to the world of running. However we now understand we need to be aware of how certain scenarios are interpreted by others.
The comment section on the post quickly got out of hand. We can not and will not excuse the remarks made by certain individuals. We do not stand for homophobia in any way, shape or form. These comments were quickly deleted.
Just think it’s important to leave the New Gen deleted apology here….
Still waiting on accountability from Ben Crawford, Matt Wisner and Emma Abrahamson
If you think that's bad, I can't imagine what kinda twisted stuff MW and BC have on their phones 🤢
They probably have your mom’s photos in there. Reasoning- she’s obnoxious and easy, that’s why she raised a little wimp who has so much hatred towards two people attempting to improve the sport instead of spending time hating anonymously on Letsrun. You think talking bull is making the sport better? Nah it makes nobody want to do anything out of fear of being “canceled”.
Bro stop with all the burner posts defending your boys, you have a season to prepare for at UO!
Maybe it's the way you said it. Suburban white kids used to be more weary of copying black vernacular so much. It's pretty well documented how now they think it's just Gen Z/internet lingo, but nope, it's black language and privileged white kids using it is pretty cringe.
I watched one or two New Gen videos and they were chalk full of cringe crap like that. No cap, you sound like you're straight outta one of their vids.
Sorry, dude, but racial gatekeeping the English language not a good look on you. Moreover, just change a few words around and this complaint could've been made over a hundred years ago, talk about a lost cause.
If you think that's bad, I can't imagine what kinda twisted stuff MW and BC have on their phones 🤢
They probably have your mom’s photos in there. Reasoning- she’s obnoxious and easy, that’s why she raised a little wimp who has so much hatred towards two people attempting to improve the sport instead of spending time hating anonymously on Letsrun. You think talking bull is making the sport better? Nah it makes nobody want to do anything out of fear of being “canceled”.
Careful with the anonymous defense of yourself there Ben. The Brojos aren’t afraid to dox people.
They probably have your mom’s photos in there. Reasoning- she’s obnoxious and easy, that’s why she raised a little wimp who has so much hatred towards two people attempting to improve the sport instead of spending time hating anonymously on Letsrun. You think talking bull is making the sport better? Nah it makes nobody want to do anything out of fear of being “canceled”.
Wrong. You can continue to act like young men -- whether online or offline -- and run your mouth. When adults get involved -- and point out to you that you have seriously messed up -- and will face consequences unless apologizing completely, then you will see what "learning the hard way" means. Stop defending the behavior. 99% of people think it's way out of line. Simple as that. It is hard -- but when a mistake is made -- just own it. People will give you grace.
“Adults” orrr people who care way too much about something that doesn’t matter at the end of the day? People just want to find something to complain about to compensate for being mediocre at things they want to be better at? The term adults is used as a way to talk about maturity when in reality, most adults aren’t mature. They just use power moves and cry as a way to try to assert dominance.
Also- I can tell you’re far from mature, because 99% of statistics are made up and don’t reflect reality. That statistic was also made up, and so was yours. You just used that number as a way to try to assert dominance by crying about something relating to “behavior”, even though your behavior of posting anonymously on a message board is in fact a reflection of how you waste time and cry over meaningless things.
People only give grace when they get what they want, because people are way too stubborn and egotistical- this message board reeks of it and it’s hilarious watching how people continue to cry over something so stupid! FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS AMIRITE!!!!
This whole topic reeks of entitlement, helicopter parent methods, Karen’s, and unhappy under achievers on the track.
Also- my paycheck is totally calling- you nailed that username. I work in a 1099 so I gotta go back to hearing a bunch of giga chads lecture us about using anxiety as a positive way to go do what we need to do to hit quotas.
They probably have your mom’s photos in there. Reasoning- she’s obnoxious and easy, that’s why she raised a little wimp who has so much hatred towards two people attempting to improve the sport instead of spending time hating anonymously on Letsrun. You think talking bull is making the sport better? Nah it makes nobody want to do anything out of fear of being “canceled”.
Careful with the anonymous defense of yourself there Ben. The Brojos aren’t afraid to dox people.
I’m gonna be honest, Ben is probably already banned on here, if he still goes on here after this whole thing blew out of proportion.
I honestly am not a huge fan of new gen, during Covid I thought the videos were annoying, especially with evert. But that doesn’t give me the right to bash them anonymously like all these cowards here.
Good luck “growing the sport” by asking the tough question like “gay son or thot daughter?” or “what race would you eliminate?”.
Thanks- I’ll joke about this on cod with the boys because I don’t even associate myself with new gen and don’t even like them- I’m just not a coward who bashes them, again like you. Loser. Have fun being mediocre, “wannabe”.
Y’all really just want this sport to go extinct, huh
Ah, the classic “you old farts don’t get it” post. Allow me to retort.
It’s not that we don’t “get” New Gen. It’s that New Gen had a single legitimate innovation in the social-media space — and has kind of royally pooched it ever since.
New Generation Track & Field deserves credit for precisely one thing three years ago: When Ben Crawford “blew up” three years ago with his Boulder training videos, he did in fact help pioneer a fresh new way to do running social content. Personality-focused, documentarian, irreverent, informed by reality TV and influencers in other fields. It was undeniably influential — “brand-building” channels like Lex and Leo Youngs’ absolutely owe something to what New Gen was doing in 2020. That said, you could argue Crawford wasn’t arriving at this conclusion alone: Tinman Elite and a few other creators were trying variations on the same approach. Still. It was a moment.
Since then? New Gen has blown their lead. Spectacularly.
• They had a good idea for summer camps that teach brand-building and social-media literacy to young runners. But as discussed in
Give me a freaking break07/27/2023 5:58pm EDT2 years ago
I know the fanboys are gonna hate this post, but this is the opposite of good for the sport sorry !! This is what went down:1) photographer posts 2 photoshoots in the past week from the camp: A. Girl dunking another girls hea...
Give me a freaking break07/27/2023 5:58pm EDT2 years ago
I know the fanboys are gonna hate this post, but this is the opposite of good for the sport sorry !! This is what went down:1) photographer posts 2 photoshoots in the past week from the camp: A. Girl dunking another girls hea...
) that have them running afoul of sponsors. They’ve likely burned through Nike and On at this point.
• Finally, New Gen defines itself as a “media brand” with revolutionary ideas for “growing the sport.” But their ideas — merch drops, social media posts, a magazine, photo shoots, “collabs” with actual brands, a mediocre running team — are … everyone else’s ideas, done worse?
The New Gen pranksters have historically flipped Tinman Elite a ton of crap, but when you drill down to what they’ve actually done, they’re basically Tinman Elite with worse manners and no training regimen.
To be charitable, I get that New Gen was started by college kids who enjoyed a sudden rush of attention. Adapting to adulthood is tough. So is trying to stay relevant after you’ve developed a youthful reputation for “no boundaries” edgelord antics. But guys — guys — it’s time to step back and re-assess.
Good luck “growing the sport” by asking the tough question like “gay son or thot daughter?” or “what race would you eliminate?”.
Thanks- I’ll joke about this on cod with the boys because I don’t even associate myself with new gen and don’t even like them- I’m just not a coward who bashes them, again like you. Loser. Have fun being mediocre, “wannabe”.
Good luck “growing the sport” by asking the tough question like “gay son or thot daughter?” or “what race would you eliminate?”.
Thanks- I’ll joke about this on cod with the boys because I don’t even associate myself with new gen and don’t even like them- I’m just not a coward who bashes them, again like you. Loser. Have fun being mediocre, “wannabe”.
The New Gen kids give me so much second hand embarrassment
New Gen is one of those sites that claims to be trying to "grow the sport" (not exactly sure what that is). So is New Gen helping the sport in some weird way or it is simply leaching off it for some social media clout?
Weird 30 something year old (Ben Crawford) lives vicariously through high schoolers and young pros. A little odd to me. Don’t think it’s nefarious, but do think it’s just a bit cringey.
Some goes for that Toad guy. Gives me weirdo vibes. Hard to support him when he posts about partying too much and then hangs with high school kids.
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