21st century WRs only. Please try to put the fan inside you aside when rating a WR from an athlete you like.
I would go with one that requires a lot of technique and is not too impressive.
I hesitate between :
the 110h : the top guys have unimpressive 100/200 PRs. Very technical. The performance isn't the most oustanding.
3000sc (shaheen one) : 3000/5000 PR possibly clean (tough the 5k would be the clean WR imo). Quite a lot of room for being improved.
Decathlon : easier to be good at everything than the best ever in 1 discipline without PEDs I think. Also the technical and training aspect is the most complex of all. But is it possible without any help for recovery at least?
I don't know all the women WRs so I might be missing one there.
She has been at the heart of everything this team has done, both on and off the pitch, for years but that won't help the disappointment of today's defeat just yet. Still, Rapinoe is sure to leave an indelible legacy, both on her nation and the sport. In addition to her many on-field achievements, Rapinoe is well-known for her work on social issues, ranging from LGBTQ+ rights to racial inequality to gender and pay equity. In 2022, Rapinoe became the first soccer player to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Obviously Des Linden's 2:59:54 50km road world record!
(And please, I know you, dont' start saying this is not a world record but a world best because 50k and 100k are already recognised as world records by World Athletics)
Also, not taking away from Rudisha's magnificent performance, but Kipketer would have likely gotten close to 1:40.9 in Zurich in 1997 had he not gone out in 48 point at the 400. He still held on for 1:41.24. The fact he ran I:41.1 soon thereafter with more even splits would indicate better pacing could have done the trick on that historic night at the Weltklasse.
Nobody in the 21st century beats phenomenally talented and highly-trained athletes who dope. So all the records are doped.
To be the best pole vaulter ever, do you need 1) speed that would require doping, 2) strength that would require doping, 3) coordination that would require doping?
You don't need doped-level anything to be the greatest pole vaulter.
Everything you need can be found in a specific body type, combined with a lifetime of proper training, and you are competing against relatively few other people (when compared to every running event).
You can't make a case that Mondo Duplantis MUST be doped to do what he does.
Nobody in the 21st century beats phenomenally talented and highly-trained athletes who dope. So all the records are doped.
To be the best pole vaulter ever, do you need 1) speed that would require doping, 2) strength that would require doping, 3) coordination that would require doping?
You don't need doped-level anything to be the greatest pole vaulter.
Everything you need can be found in a specific body type, combined with a lifetime of proper training, and you are competing against relatively few other people (when compared to every running event).
You can't make a case that Mondo Duplantis MUST be doped to do what he does.
Could he be? Sure. Does he HAVE to be? No.
You haven't a clue about doping. Chess players dope. So do championship darts competitors. It aids anything that applies to any competitive task - intellectual or physical, and the pole-vault is certainly physical. Duplantis will be competing against doped athletes who have the same kind of talent that he will have. So he dopes to beat them.
To be the best pole vaulter ever, do you need 1) speed that would require doping, 2) strength that would require doping, 3) coordination that would require doping?
You don't need doped-level anything to be the greatest pole vaulter.
Everything you need can be found in a specific body type, combined with a lifetime of proper training, and you are competing against relatively few other people (when compared to every running event).
You can't make a case that Mondo Duplantis MUST be doped to do what he does.
Could he be? Sure. Does he HAVE to be? No.
You haven't a clue about doping. Chess players dope. So do championship darts competitors. It aids anything that applies to any competitive task - intellectual or physical, and the pole-vault is certainly physical. Duplantis will be competing against doped athletes who have the same kind of talent that he will have. So he dopes to beat them.
You are an idiot. You know nothing about being a pole vaulter, or coaching one.
if we're just talking about standard running events, i would have to say usain bolt. i think all WR holders are cheaters, but if there was genetic anomaly, it would have to be bolt
To be the best pole vaulter ever, do you need 1) speed that would require doping, 2) strength that would require doping, 3) coordination that would require doping?
You don't need doped-level anything to be the greatest pole vaulter.
Everything you need can be found in a specific body type, combined with a lifetime of proper training, and you are competing against relatively few other people (when compared to every running event).
You can't make a case that Mondo Duplantis MUST be doped to do what he does.
Could he be? Sure. Does he HAVE to be? No.
You haven't a clue about doping. Chess players dope. So do championship darts competitors. It aids anything that applies to any competitive task - intellectual or physical, and the pole-vault is certainly physical. Duplantis will be competing against doped athletes who have the same kind of talent that he will have. So he dopes to beat them.
I literally wrote a book on the topic.
I also compete internationally for the red, white and blue. I line up against dopers, some of whom get caught, some who do not.
Attacking someone who knows far more about the topic than some average keyboard warrior does nothing to address the question.
Make a case that Mondo Duplantis, specifically, MUST be on drugs to do what he does, or move on. As for competing against "athletes who have the same kind of talent," who may or may not be doping (you are rooting your position on an assumption), which of those vaulters started as young as he did or had the same access to incredible coaching almost from the day they came out of the womb?
While your premise is generally correct, it is not a law. Breaking records set by generations of highly trained athletes, all of whom are also genetic freaks and benefitted from doping would likely require doping as well. But setting the record in an event that does not require any superhuman speed or strength and has a very limited number of participants could be different.
There's no reason for me to believe that you MUST be doped to hold that record.
I thought about the pole Vault but the performance is so good... Bubka was already such a dominant athlete and Duplantis goes much higher. It's true he doesn't look superhuman but still...
I don’t think the pole vault is purely athleticism. These guys are wired differently to sprint with a pole and bend 20’+ into the air.
a bit of skateboarding, snowboarding, alpine skiing, and motorcross….those guys are incredible and have something others don’t.
To be the best pole vaulter ever, do you need 1) speed that would require doping, 2) strength that would require doping, 3) coordination that would require doping?
You don't need doped-level anything to be the greatest pole vaulter.
Everything you need can be found in a specific body type, combined with a lifetime of proper training, and you are competing against relatively few other people (when compared to every running event).
You can't make a case that Mondo Duplantis MUST be doped to do what he does.
Could he be? Sure. Does he HAVE to be? No.
You haven't a clue about doping. Chess players dope. So do championship darts competitors. It aids anything that applies to any competitive task - intellectual or physical, and the pole-vault is certainly physical. Duplantis will be competing against doped athletes who have the same kind of talent that he will have. So he dopes to beat them.
This is just the most rubbish take. Athlete ‘A’ was on drugs and Athlete ‘B’ did better than them, thus Athlete ‘B’ is also on drugs? Complete crap. And I say this as someone who has worked in professional athletics for a very long time and knows many of the names being bandied about here. You are well and truly out of your depths on this one.
Far and away, the biggest areas of concern that we have with respect to doping today come from the former Soviet states, some of the nascent athletics programs in places like Turkey and Bahrain, as well as in road racing. I’ve seen some blatantly obvious illegitimate performances in road racing, largely because the field of athletes is so massive that there are not the resources to have every single possible potential winner in the out of competition testing pool ahead of time. I have seen aged Kenyans come out of nowhere, knock minutes off their PB and celebrate with their coach of dubious background and then quickly disappear again. Or you see an Ethiopian win a marathon who has been training under a Russian in Turkey. Those dots are not hard to connect, however, it’s still a difficult thing to get a handle on.
There are message boards where I might answer that. This is definitely not one of them. If you spend much time here, I would expect that you understand.
Why in the world would you pick Aries Merritt 12.80 110m High Hurdles as the most likely to be clean?
He smashed the previous world record by 0.07 seconds, his second best that year was 12.92 (still real good but 0.12 slower) and he never ran sub 13.00 in any year before or since his record year.