Oregon men gaining momentum? Or is Jerry going through the motions?

Bob Sack wrote:

Coaches Philos wrote:

^^This^^

The best coaches out there are the ones that develop their athletes, keep them healthy, progressing, and prepare them for the championships.

Running them into the ground and blaming the athletes saying it takes years to adapt to my training is a cop out. Doing hard training and impressive looking workouts doesn't matter if you aren't on the starting line 100% at the championships.

It's not all on the coaches. Coaches aren't moving chess pieces, the athletes have to want it and do the hard work... But coaches need to be able to hold athletes back and keep them from overdoing things. Save it for race day.

Agreed. The best running coaches can tailor their coaching to the athlete. Every athlete is different. He is ruining Cooper Teare, and Fisher and Schweizer (the two best US distance runners!) are injured and not going to compete in a World Championships. Besides that, his college program, with some of the best recruiting classes, is hot garbage.

Jerry's reputation as a coach has been forever tarnished after the Shelby ban. Now the veil has been lifted and we are all realizing just how poor of a coach he really is. He had success by coaching the best distance runners the US could produce and may or may not have been doping them. Once the veil had been lifted, half his team no longer wanted to be associated with him. All that Jerry is is a Nike corporate shill who knows where the bodies are buried and has some knowledge of running. There's nothing more to it than that.

rojo wrote:

To be honest, your post DISGUSTS me as a human.

"Worse than Alberto by far?"

Look I VERY MUCH don't like the way Jerry and Shalane handled the press conference where they said Shelby ate a pork burrito (They should have just said that was there best guess) but your post is insane. I think him showing loyalty to Shelby, who he thinks is clean, is admirable from a human standpoint. He's not cutting bait and viewing his runners as piece of trash - like Salazar did with Cain - when they are no longer producing for him.

Guys been coaching for 30 years, has one athlete banned and you act like he's East Germany 2.0.

Unless, he's covering up some elaborate doping ring, which is la aughable idea to me as he was so uncomfortable with Salazar he but bait with him and didn't let his guys go to Dr. Brown any more, he gains zero in public opinion polls by standing by her. All it gets him is jerks like yourself angry. But he does it because he believe she's clean and worked her a** off a breakthrough (now he may be wrong about that).

insane or not wrote:

rojo wrote:

To be honest, your post DISGUSTS me as a human.

"Worse than Alberto by far?"

Look I VERY MUCH don't like the way Jerry and Shalane handled the press conference where they said Shelby ate a pork burrito (They should have just said that was there best guess) but your post is insane. I think him showing loyalty to Shelby, who he thinks is clean, is admirable from a human standpoint. He's not cutting bait and viewing his runners as piece of trash - like Salazar did with Cain - when they are no longer producing for him.

Guys been coaching for 30 years, has one athlete banned and you act like he's East Germany 2.0.

Unless, he's covering up some elaborate doping ring, which is la aughable idea to me as he was so uncomfortable with Salazar he but bait with him and didn't let his guys go to Dr. Brown any more, he gains zero in public opinion polls by standing by her. All it gets him is jerks like yourself angry. But he does it because he believe she's clean and worked her a** off a breakthrough (now he may be wrong about that).

Are you really that gullible? Of course Jerry knew how Shelby got her drugs. That he doesn't like cheat Alberto doesn't prove anything. He had to stand by Shelby so she won't expose the doping ring, obviously. Do you really believe that she was the only doper, and that a control freak like Jerry was left in the dark? Serious question.

But I agree, he is not worse than Alberto. Both got one of their female stars banned for roids, and both got one of their male stars exposed as "likely doping", but only Alberto was banned for multiple doping rule violations and sexual abuse.