Ron Warhurst got Threshhold'd

Ferlic was lucky to make the team last time around. He has never shown himself to be a top tier steepler where not making the team results in a "failure"

This running in college thing is way way over rated and stated. I think either folks are not watching College races and Invites or have no clue. The only tactical races are conf which mean nothing anymore en NCAA meet. Almost every fast time and that includes those UW milers Indoors are off of set ups, see BU etc and the like. Essentially "THOSE AMAZING Tactics? " are twice a year or season, Indoor or out. Kessler learned more this weekend and in Europe last summer than he would have in any college program , in any college season.

I don't see the outcry for Sumner going Pro? What did he learn? That he could win from the front or back against completely over matched talent?

Hocker was capable of another 2 seconds based on conversions from january alone. Conversely, good racing without times also doesn’t mean much if you can’t make a team. Obviously a silver medal at usas is great, but waskom has 3 weeks to drop a second and a half or prakel takes his spot.

Hobbs has one championship race to go off. You say horrible races like he’s ran multiple. This was his first final. He’s 20. He was fine tactically. Might’ve just not been at his best. It happens. You can believe he’ll never race better if you want, but you have no reason to believe that.

This kid should race some XC races this fall. Possibly World Champs.

More mileage, tempos, strength, fun, less intensity.

Outdoors alone you have conference, regionals, ncaa. That’s 6 races (heats and finals) at a minimum you have to hone your racing skills

his incredible 334 at such a young age got him a deal he couldn’t turn down. Can’t blame him for that. But there is some downside to it.

Jager and Bor were injured. The eventual champion faceplanted mid-race. The fastest runner coming in (Hamilton) ran like crap. The most experienced runner in the field (Bayer) retired and took a ton of time off and thus wasn't fully fit. Another top runner Barrazza fell in the prelim and didn't advance.

If he couldn't qualify this year, he will NEVER qualify again.

Ferlic ran 8:21.57 in 2016. His current PR is 8:18.49 from 2021. Considering how much the shoes help, he's worse now than in 2016.

Waskom ran 3:35.32 with a 53.43 last lap. He only needs 3:34.20 (1.12 seconds, not 1.5). It's in his hands now though, he hits the time and he's in. Hobbs is sitting at home with no chance at wearing the USA.

He does get screwed because NCAA results don't score well with IAAF. His world ranking should be much higher.

Big sky conference champs or monaco diamond league⁉️🧐

The answer is that Kessler simply got beat (narrowly). He had a clean trip on the rail, saving meters, but did not have that last gear he needed. He was not one of the two best guys (Guse and Hocker) but he was probably next best. On this day he was just a touch off and it dropped him to a close 6th. This is not unusual at all; it s racing. There will be days in the near future when Kessler does have that last gear. He'll shrug this off.

One thing to point out...coming by in 1:59.0 is never going to be ideal for HK. He's going to be better off pace. Slow fractions let a lot of guys in the race. Turned into a 350m race and he dropped 3 places.

Buddy I agree that’s why I said it’s a deal he couldn’t turn down. But there is some downside to “skipping a few steps” along the way

the kid had grade 9, Covid, then all of a sudden he’s a 334 guy

Why would it be bad for Hobbs to hit 800m in 1:59? He has BY FAR the fastest 800m PR out of the contenders so he should be able to kick well.

When Hobbs ran 3:32, he beat Prakel by more than 3 seconds. How the hell does he lose to Prakel at USATF?

I have zero proof or evidence of this but I think they are planning on peaking his training for 2024. Imagine if they're holding back even a little, what he can do with some extra intensity and mileage or whatever. The only thing I don't really get, and I also don't understand about professional racing in general is why doesn't he race more? I get the theory of less racing equals fresher legs, but that just doesn't seem to be true beyond a doubt, and clearly his racing experience is his biggest weakness. I've also never seen him lead a race. Even in high school. To me that says a lot about confidence. I also get the strategy behind it, but it just seems like their strategy is race to place in top 3 to eventually get a medal.

Considering the shoes, a lot of pros got slower

Hell for a while Jakob got slower...

If you believe that

Prakel is a baller

As well as he did, anyone who saw Sullivan run in high school knows he underperformed.

some of that was because Whistance was a nutbar, who pushed Kevin too much and too young (1.53 at 14yo). He needed a break after HS just to recover from what he had done (the injury in 1996 was a blessing in that regard). That Kevin never broke 1.47 for 800m shows that he was better at 1500-5k (much like Jinge), he just didn't care about the 5000m. Post-1980's Brits, that 800m was sub-par for a 800/1500 guy, so he was really just a 1500m guy, but likely clean. In the 1990's EPO era he wasn't going to beat those guys. He and Hood were better in the NCAA sit and kick type races - El G (same age as Sullivan) changed that with fast paces from a long way out.

Overrated is quite a stretch/ glass half empty. People like you said Hobbs was washed up last year and he is getting better. Surrounded by the best people you could hope for like Nick Willis and Ronny....it appears to me they are "raising" a happy healthy 20 year old the right way. 1500 is tough as nails right now. Hobbs has huge upside. Who ever thought Ferlic would be an Olympian? His track record is too good for many decades.

Managed Ferlic? You crazy. Nobody thought he was an Olympian.