I didn't think Mu was necessarily a doper - she couldn't even finish at Millrose last year - but to carve that big a chunk off the distance, the equivalent of 14 secs from her previous best, now leaves me in no doubt. She has the right coach to do it.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
. . . now leaves me in no doubt.
Fortunately, no one cares. No one.
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curious voting wrote:
Yet we all know Kersee coached more drug cheats than Salazar and Schumacher combined. Some people here are allergic to the truth.
Don't rally behind "we". This is your opinion.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
So the 4:37 miler who didn't even finish at Millrose last year has effectively carved 14 seconds off the equivalent of that time with this latest 1500 run. That easy. And that ridiculous. It is a mere formality then that she takes another 14 seconds off by next year. Bobby has obviously worked out how to do it.
The doping dunces have no clue regarding prodigies. That is a totally different category. I have no idea how anyone can be so remarkably ignorant and oblivious.
Prodigies don't have to conform to the tedious step ladder norms. They don't have to compete frequently in public view. The surreal talent level destroys projections and plodders and makes parallel comparisons a quest of fools.
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creonte wrote:
The relevant quotes from Kersee, from:“I think the goal is she needs to be under 3:59 or better to really get the benefit out of the 1,500 and with her speed ability to get the ultimate transfer to the 800 in order to break that other 30-year-old (plus) record at 800 meters,”Kersee said.
“I just think when she has that, that anaerobic threshold and being able to hold over that and take the 800 out at a decent speed, that’s going to allow her to go under 1:53.”
“The 800/1500 or 400/800 has been done and I think Athing has that ability and I think if the schedule allows it, it would be nice to see for a woman to double the 8 and 15 at a very high level with the potential to gold medal in both,” Kersee said.
So I think the first bit is right, getting her to 3:59 shape to challenge the WR is a good idea.
The last bit about medalling in both is a bit of hyperbole as long as Faith Kipyegon exists, in my opinion.
Whether Mu ever gets the 800 record or not, Kersee's approach is exactly correct. She was never going to get the number training exclusively for the 800. Mu already is capable of taking it out fast enough. She falters slightly late. It's not obvious because the rest of the field is staggering worse. Mu has to be able to carry the second lap peak another 30 meters.
Semenya did the same thing. The way she hit the wall late really made it obvious what a mountain it was toward the Kratochvílová record. IMO, Semenya with the DSD advantage could have had the record if she had used this Kersee approach and trained seriously for the 1500 early in her career. Instead she never went below 4:08 until age 25 when she took her personal best from 4:08 to sub 4:02 in one swoop.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
I didn't think
Correct. You have just once again proven that you don't understand the sport.
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Can Athing Mu challenge Kipyegon,Muir,Hull and the Ethiopians? Probably.She has a chance just like anyone else.Kipyegon may have a lethal kick but she cannot outkick Mu in a flat 400.Lets give Mu the benefit of doubt.
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You should apologize for a lot of things.
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creonte wrote:
The relevant quotes from Kersee, from:“I think the goal is she needs to be under 3:59 or better to really get the benefit out of the 1,500 and with her speed ability to get the ultimate transfer to the 800 in order to break that other 30-year-old (plus) record at 800 meters,”Kersee said.
“I just think when she has that, that anaerobic threshold and being able to hold over that and take the 800 out at a decent speed, that’s going to allow her to go under 1:53.”
“The 800/1500 or 400/800 has been done and I think Athing has that ability and I think if the schedule allows it, it would be nice to see for a woman to double the 8 and 15 at a very high level with the potential to gold medal in both,” Kersee said.
So I think the first bit is right, getting her to 3:59 shape to challenge the WR is a good idea.
The last bit about medalling in both is a bit of hyperbole as long as Faith Kipyegon exists, in my opinion.
The world record is 1:53.28, and I think Coach Kersee may already have Athing in world record shape, given how easy that 1500m final looked last night.
The only way Athing fails to break 1:54 in Budapest is if she is no longer in 49.xx 400m shape, which seems implausible given that this is Coach Kersee's speciality and how good Sydney looked last night.
See the attached link for my analysis, based on imperfect data.
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Chris lewis wrote:
Don't mean to be rude, but how can anyone with great 800m speed not be good at the 1500m if they choose to do so with appropriate training.
Odd how so many people downvote this but salivate at the ‘evils’ of Addy Wiley going to Huntington.
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camp flog gnaw wrote:
curious voting wrote:
Yet we all know Kersee coached more drug cheats than Salazar and Schumacher combined. Some people here are allergic to the truth.
Don't rally behind "we". This is your opinion.
LOL. But you are right. Let me correct to:
Yet it is a fact that Kersee coached more proven drug cheats than Salazar and Schumacher combined.
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rojo wrote:
Pretty shocking. It looked like they were jogging but they ended up running 4:03.
Wait a minute. You started some sh!+ and you want us to back you up? GFY
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TheRealTaro wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
. . . now leaves me in no doubt.
Fortunately, no one cares. No one.
I am well aware of that. No one is doping in the world of fans like yourself - and least of all any American athlete.
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Well, her best was 4:16 prior to the championships, so doubters had reason. However, this was a 1:55 800m runner who is, yes, a great 400m runner, but is built very tall and thin, and did indeed project out really well in the 1500m as a kid. A 1:55 male hs runner will typically run better than 4:20 in the mile, maybe even sub-4:10. Still, there was the question of what she does in practice. Was she adjusting to the distance in practice--surely not by running a ten mile long run or even 4 mile tempo as we understand it? Probably Kersee had her doing more 4s, 6s, and 1k's in practice and a 3-4 mile long run. Whatever he was doing, it worked. And I do want to point out that when she dropped out at the 3/4 mark at Wanamaker last year, she had been on a really good pace but didn't have the endurance to go the whole way. That indicated she wasn't far from doing it. She needed some more strength, which she has. No reason she can't go sub-4 at World's, with a good kick, and a shot at a medal, except that it sounds like it will only be the 8. Kersee's not giving up a 70% shot at 800 gold for a 50% shot at a 1500 medal.
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Awsi Dooger wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
So the 4:37 miler who didn't even finish at Millrose last year has effectively carved 14 seconds off the equivalent of that time with this latest 1500 run. That easy. And that ridiculous. It is a mere formality then that she takes another 14 seconds off by next year. Bobby has obviously worked out how to do it.
The doping dunces have no clue regarding prodigies. That is a totally different category. I have no idea how anyone can be so remarkably ignorant and oblivious.
Prodigies don't have to conform to the tedious step ladder norms. They don't have to compete frequently in public view. The surreal talent level destroys projections and plodders and makes parallel comparisons a quest of fools.
"Prodigy" is just another term for "doper". "Generational talent" is another. But their use does at least produce guffaws in response.
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lhf wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I didn't think
Correct. You have just once again proven that you don't understand the sport.
While you have proven you can't read a full sentence, a somewhat more serious limitation.
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worldrecordincoming wrote:
creonte wrote:
The relevant quotes from Kersee, from:“I think the goal is she needs to be under 3:59 or better to really get the benefit out of the 1,500 and with her speed ability to get the ultimate transfer to the 800 in order to break that other 30-year-old (plus) record at 800 meters,”Kersee said.
“I just think when she has that, that anaerobic threshold and being able to hold over that and take the 800 out at a decent speed, that’s going to allow her to go under 1:53.”
“The 800/1500 or 400/800 has been done and I think Athing has that ability and I think if the schedule allows it, it would be nice to see for a woman to double the 8 and 15 at a very high level with the potential to gold medal in both,” Kersee said.
So I think the first bit is right, getting her to 3:59 shape to challenge the WR is a good idea.
The last bit about medalling in both is a bit of hyperbole as long as Faith Kipyegon exists, in my opinion.
The world record is 1:53.28, and I think Coach Kersee may already have Athing in world record shape, given how easy that 1500m final looked last night.
The only way Athing fails to break 1:54 in Budapest is if she is no longer in 49.xx 400m shape, which seems implausible given that this is Coach Kersee's speciality and how good Sydney looked last night.
See the attached link for my analysis, based on imperfect data.
So she's on what Kratochvilova was?
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Awsi Dooger wrote:
The doping dunces have no clue regarding prodigies. That is a totally different category. I have no idea how anyone can be so remarkably ignorant and oblivious.
Prodigies don't have to conform to the tedious step ladder norms. They don't have to compete frequently in public view. The surreal talent level destroys projections and plodders and makes parallel comparisons a quest of fools.
"Prodigy" is just another term for "doper". "Generational talent" is another. But their use does at least produce guffaws in response.
Wow, that is one ignorant post. Please, stay in New Zealand, the prodigies don't want you here unlike the dopers, I mean prodigies in NZ.
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xzcvxzcv wrote:
Well, her best was 4:16 prior to the championships, so doubters had reason. However, this was a 1:55 800m runner who is, yes, a great 400m runner, but is built very tall and thin, and did indeed project out really well in the 1500m as a kid. A 1:55 male hs runner will typically run better than 4:20 in the mile, maybe even sub-4:10. Still, there was the question of what she does in practice. Was she adjusting to the distance in practice--surely not by running a ten mile long run or even 4 mile tempo as we understand it? Probably Kersee had her doing more 4s, 6s, and 1k's in practice and a 3-4 mile long run. Whatever he was doing, it worked. And I do want to point out that when she dropped out at the 3/4 mark at Wanamaker last year, she had been on a really good pace but didn't have the endurance to go the whole way. That indicated she wasn't far from doing it. She needed some more strength, which she has. No reason she can't go sub-4 at World's, with a good kick, and a shot at a medal, except that it sounds like it will only be the 8. Kersee's not giving up a 70% shot at 800 gold for a 50% shot at a 1500 medal.
400/800 runners are never also 800/1500 runners - unless they dope to the gills. But that's what just about everyone at the top does now. Rocketing prs and world records tumbling show that athletes now have no fear of being caught.
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