For one, Nordas is much more suspect. He has only one good performance, zero indication that he should even get close to 3:29. Especially considering he has a 1:58 800m pr and similar prs to a high level NCAA runner. #2 The page is full of Norwegian fanboys that know nothing about running and wouldn't be here if not to suck Jacobs nuts.
100%
The only difference between them that affects rojo’s (and many people’s) perception is -
MOROCCAN SPANIARD BAD
NORWEGIAN GOOD
This might shock you, but they both be suspect. Were you aware of that?
Go ahead and list 30 American distance runners popped for doping. After Regina Jacobs (past her prime) and shelbo the list is pretty small of people with national team appearances. And those cycling team EPO busts have a lot more to do with distance running than whatever sprinters and weight throwers are shooting up these days.
I got to hope most US athletes are clean. Doping it up to run 13:20 seems like a horrible life choice. This isn't Ireland where that gets you on a national team...
That's one hell of a shifting of the goal posts. It's not just about distance runners, or only those who have represented the national team. It's about all track athletes. So, with that in mind: Marion Jones, Antonio Pettigrew, Regina Jacobs, Inger Miller, Tim Montgomery, Mary Decker, Shelby Houlihan, Chris Lukezic, Wallace Spearman, LaShawn Merritt, Lindsey Scherf, Butch Reynolds, Tyson Gay, Torri Edwards, Justin Gatlin, Hazel Clark...
and now I'm bored and I haven't even started on the field athletes plus those with credible allegations against them, like FloJo.
The point is, throwing shade on Katir because he runs for a country with "a history of doping" is as ludicrous as throwing on Grant Fisher, Donovan Brazier, and Yared Nuguse. Fisher even trained in the same group as a convicted doper! Nuguse's coach was part of the Oregon project! That's a lot of smoke people are happy to overlook
Sure. And now look at the Norwegian's long history of doping. Remember the skier who blamed lip cream? The race walker and boxer doing EPO(sure looks like the drug is available)? The throwers caught doing steroids? When a triathlete coached by a Norwegian is caught using EPO, where do you think he learned it? Just started injecting or was it part of the program. Heck they had a chess dude disqualified for doping. And multiply by about 70 to adjust for population. Lots of smoke in Norway to ignore.
Spain and Morocco have established doping cultures while Norway doesn't, at least not to the same extent, but I agree that they're both highly suspect
Norway is known as the center of doping in cross country skiing. It's one of the nations with the most well documented and serious doing problems in it's sports.
Go ahead and list 30 American distance runners popped for doping. After Regina Jacobs (past her prime) and shelbo the list is pretty small of people with national team appearances. And those cycling team EPO busts have a lot more to do with distance running than whatever sprinters and weight throwers are shooting up these days.
I got to hope most US athletes are clean. Doping it up to run 13:20 seems like a horrible life choice. This isn't Ireland where that gets you on a national team...
That's one hell of a shifting of the goal posts. It's not just about distance runners, or only those who have represented the national team. It's about all track athletes. So, with that in mind: Marion Jones, Antonio Pettigrew, Regina Jacobs, Inger Miller, Tim Montgomery, Mary Decker, Shelby Houlihan, Chris Lukezic, Wallace Spearman, LaShawn Merritt, Lindsey Scherf, Butch Reynolds, Tyson Gay, Torri Edwards, Justin Gatlin, Hazel Clark...
and now I'm bored and I haven't even started on the field athletes plus those with credible allegations against them, like FloJo.
The point is, throwing shade on Katir because he runs for a country with "a history of doping" is as ludicrous as throwing on Grant Fisher, Donovan Brazier, and Yared Nuguse. Fisher even trained in the same group as a convicted doper! Nuguse's coach was part of the Oregon project! That's a lot of smoke people are happy to overlook
Chris Lukezic and Butch Reynolds? Airbnb and false ban respectively no?
Spain and Morocco have established doping cultures while Norway doesn't, at least not to the same extent, but I agree that they're both highly suspect
Norway is known as the center of doping in cross country skiing. It's one of the nations with the most well documented and serious doing problems in it's sports.
You mean on LetsRun? There have only been a handful of cases in a sport it dominates.
The introduction of World-Anti-Doping Agency (“WADA”) Athlete Biological Passport (“ABP”) has been a significant tool in the fight against doping in sport. The ABP which was introduced by WADA to “monitor selected biological...
That's one hell of a shifting of the goal posts. It's not just about distance runners, or only those who have represented the national team. It's about all track athletes. So, with that in mind: Marion Jones, Antonio Pettigrew, Regina Jacobs, Inger Miller, Tim Montgomery, Mary Decker, Shelby Houlihan, Chris Lukezic, Wallace Spearman, LaShawn Merritt, Lindsey Scherf, Butch Reynolds, Tyson Gay, Torri Edwards, Justin Gatlin, Hazel Clark...
and now I'm bored and I haven't even started on the field athletes plus those with credible allegations against them, like FloJo.
The point is, throwing shade on Katir because he runs for a country with "a history of doping" is as ludicrous as throwing on Grant Fisher, Donovan Brazier, and Yared Nuguse. Fisher even trained in the same group as a convicted doper! Nuguse's coach was part of the Oregon project! That's a lot of smoke people are happy to overlook
Sure. And now look at the Norwegian's long history of doping. Remember the skier who blamed lip cream? The race walker and boxer doing EPO(sure looks like the drug is available)? The throwers caught doing steroids? When a triathlete coached by a Norwegian is caught using EPO, where do you think he learned it? Just started injecting or was it part of the program. Heck they had a chess dude disqualified for doping. And multiply by about 70 to adjust for population. Lots of smoke in Norway to ignore.
You're shifting the goalposts again by bringing in other sports. If we do that, it looks even worse for the US with all the boxers, football, and baseball players who have been popped. The reputation of the US for clean sport is every bit as bad as Morocco's or Spain's
1/ Spanish Morroccan nationality/background - the two worst EPO cultures in Europe and North Africa.
2/ Same manager as Cacho.
3/ Doesn't appear to have actually improved since he made his crazy progression 2 years ago.
4/ Manager has defended dopers, calling for convicted dopers to be given a second, third, and fourth chance.
5/ Katir has always been a 1500/5000 man, the Norwegian was a 5000/10000/ half marathoner until this year. He also had precisely two 1500 races last year, both of which he won easily.
6/ When asked about doping, Katir responds with his hands covering his ears, or on Instagram calling the accuser a loser whose wife would prefer to be with him (Katir).
1/ no one has accused Nordas of doping, so we dont know how he would react to It
2/ Of course Katir has improved, last season his goal was getting medals, he won bronze at worlds and silver behind Jakob at euros, he also dipped under 3'30. This season he has run 7'24 indoors, 3'28 and won in Florence running 12'52 with the last k in 2'24. Stop with the stupid "he hasnt improved" narrative
3/ Half of your "points" dont talk about Katir, just about his country or manager, whenever he does something suspicious tell me.
He is very easily reachable, he is either in Sierra Nevada or Font Romeu and posts regularly. He recently ran at the European Team Championships, its not like he is hiding for the whole season and suddenly reappears
I dont have anything against Nordas, Im just fed Up with this nosense of accusing people without any proof
In Nordic skiing Norway has been known to have doping athletes. Not Russia levels or anything but definitely not a non-zero pattern. Having come from a Nordic skiing background I have had a skeptical view of the Norwegian performances in athletics over the past few years. This just kind of sealed the deal for me in terms of being right to be skeptical.
I'm not saying they are but looking at all the performances on the track with the history of another aerobic sport doing it, it would be crazy to at least be dubious. Very similar to people being skeptical of bolt being on something given the history of the people in the event around the world and the country he competed for. Not saying he did but it would be irresponsible not to at least question it.
Katir plateauing in the 1500/3000 and 5000 for 3 years at fringe national level, and then at age 24 suddenly becomes one of the fastest ever at 1500/3000 and 5000?
How many times it has to be told you that Katir made his big jump at age 23 and Nordas his at age 24?
10 times would not be enough, because you are not interested in the truth. Liar.
You didn't mean to make me laugh but I did. What exactly is the difference in an athlete between 23 and 24?
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How many times it has to be told you that Katir made his big jump at age 23 and Nordas his at age 24?
10 times would not be enough, because you are not interested in the truth. Liar.
This and the supposed stagnation of Katir either from 2018-2020 or 2021-23 are just frustrating to debunk each time.
The distinctions between them are irrelevant. The only facts that matter here is that you have two athletes in their mid-twenties leaping from relatively mediocre to amongst the very best in the world in one year. Their previous histories don't matter. 7 seconds improvement in the 1500 to 3.29 - the level that athletes like Ovett, Coe, Cram and Morceli ran - is a ludicrous improvement if you think either of those athletes are clean.
The distinctions between them are irrelevant. The only facts that matter here is that you have two athletes in their mid-twenties leaping from relatively mediocre to amongst the very best in the world in one year. Their previous histories don't matter. 7 seconds improvement in the 1500 to 3.29 - the level that athletes like Ovett, Coe, Cram and Morceli ran - is a ludicrous improvement if you think either of those athletes are clean.
So you say. Katir’s jump was at age 22-23 so conveniently that’s “mid-20s” to you? Morceli ran 3:27 in old spikes. Coe and Ovett pretty obviously left some time on the table with their 1500 PRs. Coe’s 800 PB remains a huge mark. Crams PBs hold up quite well and it’s not like he was a dominant guy at the time. And they all didn’t have wavelight, superspikes and so on. I agree with your skepticism but the blanket statements are disingenuous.
1/ Spanish Morroccan nationality/background - the two worst EPO cultures in Europe and North Africa.
2/ Same manager as Cacho.
3/ Doesn't appear to have actually improved since he made his crazy progression 2 years ago.
4/ Manager has defended dopers, calling for convicted dopers to be given a second, third, and fourth chance.
5/ Katir has always been a 1500/5000 man, the Norwegian was a 5000/10000/ half marathoner until this year. He also had precisely two 1500 races last year, both of which he won easily.
6/ When asked about doping, Katir responds with his hands covering his ears, or on Instagram calling the accuser a loser whose wife would prefer to be with him (Katir).
1/ no one has accused Nordas of doping, so we dont know how he would react to It
2/ Of course Katir has improved, last season his goal was getting medals, he won bronze at worlds and silver behind Jakob at euros, he also dipped under 3'30. This season he has run 7'24 indoors, 3'28 and won in Florence running 12'52 with the last k in 2'24. Stop with the stupid "he hasnt improved" narrative
3/ Half of your "points" dont talk about Katir, just about his country or manager, whenever he does something suspicious tell me.
He is very easily reachable, he is either in Sierra Nevada or Font Romeu and posts regularly. He recently ran at the European Team Championships, its not like he is hiding for the whole season and suddenly reappears
I dont have anything against Nordas, Im just fed Up with this nosense of accusing people without any proof
Agreeing in everything except your first sentence, cause a lot have accused Nordås of doping, and he has already reacted (didn’t like the accusations that much..)