no. There was nothing making Jakob look vulnerable.
It's like saying "the roulette will stop on the 0 for sure". When it actually stops on the 0, it doesn't mean you were right. Odds were very low.
Absolutely correct. Jakob didn't run optimally in one race on one day, that's all. Will it happen again? Probably, right? He is a 3:27.14 runner, holds the world record over 2 miles, has proven he has a good kick. That means he has a very good chance to win a race, not that he always will. Which person could? No one. The OP just bet on a rather unlikely scenario, so to speak, and won, and now he just wants to get upvoted.
no. There was nothing making Jakob look vulnerable.
It's like saying "the roulette will stop on the 0 for sure". When it actually stops on the 0, it doesn't mean you were right. Odds were very low.
Except in this case, it’s now stopped on 0 three times in a row. Jakob will always be vulnerable because we’ve never seen him win race without a true rabbit or a pseudo rabbit. (Tim C was his rabbit in 2021).
He’s only lost 4 track races total in the last 2 seasons. One was an 800m tune up, the other 3 were World indoors and world outdoors x 2.
This season he was on another level compared to previous lost races.
Also it takes a 3.29 guy to have the race of his life to beat a 90% Jakob. So yes it's still unlileky even if it hapenned back to back. El Gerrouj also missed two Golds back to back at OG.
I don't think it's a kick problem. Tactics and bad luck. Looks like yesterday they were both in 3:28 low shape instead of the 3.27low/3.29mid scenario where Jakob can solo run it to the win. So in this case the one who leads looses. I still think Jakob can solo win it on a good day but he needs to be 100% and hope nobody in the top5 has the race of his life. Given the depth of the 1500 it's a bit risky.
I think there is an ego thing with "Cheryuiot did it solo so can I" but that race in Doha was an anomaly with an incredibly strong Cheryiuot and a weak field that day. Jakob had better swallow his pride and run behind somebody else. I think his chances are higher that way. But he is still the huge favorite for the next championship anyways.
Except in this case, it’s now stopped on 0 three times in a row. Jakob will always be vulnerable because we’ve never seen him win race without a true rabbit or a pseudo rabbit. (Tim C was his rabbit in 2021).
He’s only lost 4 track races total in the last 2 seasons. One was an 800m tune up, the other 3 were World indoors and world outdoors x 2.
This season he was on another level compared to previous lost races.
Also it takes a 3.29 guy to have the race of his life to beat a 90% Jakob. So yes it's still unlileky even if it hapenned back to back. El Gerrouj also missed two Golds back to back at OG.
I don't think it's a kick problem. Tactics and bad luck. Looks like yesterday they were both in 3:28 low shape instead of the 3.27low/3.29mid scenario where Jakob can solo run it to the win. So in this case the one who leads looses. I still think Jakob can solo win it on a good day but he needs to be 100% and hope nobody in the top5 has the race of his life. Given the depth of the 1500 it's a bit risky.
I think there is an ego thing with "Cheryuiot did it solo so can I" but that race in Doha was an anomaly with an incredibly strong Cheryiuot and a weak field that day. Jakob had better swallow his pride and run behind somebody else. I think his chances are higher that way. But he is still the huge favorite for the next championship anyways.
Two of the loss of El G.: one was fall, the others was against the 1000m record holder and it played close until the last meters.
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Incredible post by OP, who got completely shellacked by downvotes. It is clear we must speak the Truth at all times simply and without fear. Good job OP.
Except in this case, it’s now stopped on 0 three times in a row. Jakob will always be vulnerable because we’ve never seen him win race without a true rabbit or a pseudo rabbit. (Tim C was his rabbit in 2021).
He’s only lost 4 track races total in the last 2 seasons. One was an 800m tune up, the other 3 were World indoors and world outdoors x 2.
This season he was on another level compared to previous lost races.
Also it takes a 3.29 guy to have the race of his life to beat a 90% Jakob. So yes it's still unlileky even if it hapenned back to back. El Gerrouj also missed two Golds back to back at OG.
I don't think it's a kick problem. Tactics and bad luck. Looks like yesterday they were both in 3:28 low shape instead of the 3.27low/3.29mid scenario where Jakob can solo run it to the win. So in this case the one who leads looses. I still think Jakob can solo win it on a good day but he needs to be 100% and hope nobody in the top5 has the race of his life. Given the depth of the 1500 it's a bit risky.
I think there is an ego thing with "Cheryuiot did it solo so can I" but that race in Doha was an anomaly with an incredibly strong Cheryiuot and a weak field that day. Jakob had better swallow his pride and run behind somebody else. I think his chances are higher that way. But he is still the huge favorite for the next championship anyways.
Back to back to back. It’s 3 consecutive championship races, not 2.
Running behind somebody like who? If Jakob didn’t go around Kipsang yesterday, the race might’ve slowed to 60s laps. In that style of race, he would’ve been ended possibly outside of the top 6.
The unfortunate case about being a strength-based 1500m runner is that he has only one strategy he can use to win. Run as close to his PR as possible. If the race is tactical and slow, that’s just about the worst odds he could have.
Jakob could’ve run 3:27 yesterday had there been a rabbit. He hasn’t lost fitness.
This season he was on another level compared to previous lost races.
Also it takes a 3.29 guy to have the race of his life to beat a 90% Jakob. So yes it's still unlileky even if it hapenned back to back. El Gerrouj also missed two Golds back to back at OG.
I don't think it's a kick problem. Tactics and bad luck. Looks like yesterday they were both in 3:28 low shape instead of the 3.27low/3.29mid scenario where Jakob can solo run it to the win. So in this case the one who leads looses. I still think Jakob can solo win it on a good day but he needs to be 100% and hope nobody in the top5 has the race of his life. Given the depth of the 1500 it's a bit risky.
I think there is an ego thing with "Cheryuiot did it solo so can I" but that race in Doha was an anomaly with an incredibly strong Cheryiuot and a weak field that day. Jakob had better swallow his pride and run behind somebody else. I think his chances are higher that way. But he is still the huge favorite for the next championship anyways.
Back to back to back. It’s 3 consecutive championship races, not 2.
Running behind somebody like who? If Jakob didn’t go around Kipsang yesterday, the race might’ve slowed to 60s laps. In that style of race, he would’ve been ended possibly outside of the top 6.
The unfortunate case about being a strength-based 1500m runner is that he has only one strategy he can use to win. Run as close to his PR as possible. If the race is tactical and slow, that’s just about the worst odds he could have.
Jakob could’ve run 3:27 yesterday had there been a rabbit. He hasn’t lost fitness.
Agreed. Ironically enough Cheruiyot was once his arch enemy but when Cheruiyot was finally past his prime, Jakob had become the Cheruiyot in Tokyo and he had no choice.
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This season he was on another level compared to previous lost races.
Also it takes a 3.29 guy to have the race of his life to beat a 90% Jakob. So yes it's still unlileky even if it hapenned back to back. El Gerrouj also missed two Golds back to back at OG.
I don't think it's a kick problem. Tactics and bad luck. Looks like yesterday they were both in 3:28 low shape instead of the 3.27low/3.29mid scenario where Jakob can solo run it to the win. So in this case the one who leads looses. I still think Jakob can solo win it on a good day but he needs to be 100% and hope nobody in the top5 has the race of his life. Given the depth of the 1500 it's a bit risky.
I think there is an ego thing with "Cheryuiot did it solo so can I" but that race in Doha was an anomaly with an incredibly strong Cheryiuot and a weak field that day. Jakob had better swallow his pride and run behind somebody else. I think his chances are higher that way. But he is still the huge favorite for the next championship anyways.
Back to back to back. It’s 3 consecutive championship races, not 2.
Running behind somebody like who? If Jakob didn’t go around Kipsang yesterday, the race might’ve slowed to 60s laps. In that style of race, he would’ve been ended possibly outside of the top 6.
The unfortunate case about being a strength-based 1500m runner is that he has only one strategy he can use to win. Run as close to his PR as possible. If the race is tactical and slow, that’s just about the worst odds he could have.
Jakob could’ve run 3:27 yesterday had there been a rabbit. He hasn’t lost fitness.
Kipsang took the lead, that was perfect for Jakob, no need to push the pace. Anybody else that find a reason to lead could be fine also. As far as I can remember it happened only once in the last 30y that everybody refused to push the pace until the last 400. If there is one 60 lap in the middle, it doesn't automatically makes Jakob loose lol. In the worst case, he is still the favorite to win with an all out last 600 off a slow pace. Obvioulsy he is not going to let it to a 100m kick in a 4:00 race.
Look how Bakkali ran the 3000sc despite being back to back WC and having a slower 1500 PR than Girma : following Girma from the start until the last 100. Girma didn't have to took the lead but he did and gave the victory to Bakkali.
People saying Kerr won because he has a 1:45 800PR and Jakob a 1:46 don't realize that the shape of the day and tactics matters much more than a 1sec difference in another event. Habz is a 3:29 guy and a1:43 800 runner and he finished 11th. It's not all about 800 PR. I didn't really follow Kerr training but it looks like he benefitted from doing longer stuff than usual including an HM race so sum it up as a 800 race is meaningless.
Jakob could’ve run 3:27 yesterday had there been a rabbit. He hasn’t lost fitness.
And I don't believe an additionnal 800m of drating makes you run 2,5sec faster. He just wasn't in his best shape yesterday.
Summary : Jakob had never looked extremely vulnerable before yesterday. And there was almost no scenario where he coudn't medal, especially in a 3:29 race as OP claimed since he still gets the silver on a half-bad day with non optimal tactic. OP was blatantly wrong.
This season he was on another level compared to previous lost races.
Also it takes a 3.29 guy to have the race of his life to beat a 90% Jakob. So yes it's still unlileky even if it hapenned back to back. El Gerrouj also missed two Golds back to back at OG.
I don't think it's a kick problem. Tactics and bad luck. Looks like yesterday they were both in 3:28 low shape instead of the 3.27low/3.29mid scenario where Jakob can solo run it to the win. So in this case the one who leads looses. I still think Jakob can solo win it on a good day but he needs to be 100% and hope nobody in the top5 has the race of his life. Given the depth of the 1500 it's a bit risky.
I think there is an ego thing with "Cheryuiot did it solo so can I" but that race in Doha was an anomaly with an incredibly strong Cheryiuot and a weak field that day. Jakob had better swallow his pride and run behind somebody else. I think his chances are higher that way. But he is still the huge favorite for the next championship anyways.
Back to back to back. It’s 3 consecutive championship races, not 2.
Running behind somebody like who? If Jakob didn’t go around Kipsang yesterday, the race might’ve slowed to 60s laps. In that style of race, he would’ve been ended possibly outside of the top 6.
The unfortunate case about being a strength-based 1500m runner is that he has only one strategy he can use to win. Run as close to his PR as possible. If the race is tactical and slow, that’s just about the worst odds he could have.
Jakob could’ve run 3:27 yesterday had there been a rabbit. He hasn’t lost fitness.
You're basically saying he's too "slow" for the event because he can be outkicked if the race isn't run flat-out from start to finish. Many have argued that on previous threads. This final showed it - again - to be true.
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Back to back to back. It’s 3 consecutive championship races, not 2.
Running behind somebody like who? If Jakob didn’t go around Kipsang yesterday, the race might’ve slowed to 60s laps. In that style of race, he would’ve been ended possibly outside of the top 6.
The unfortunate case about being a strength-based 1500m runner is that he has only one strategy he can use to win. Run as close to his PR as possible. If the race is tactical and slow, that’s just about the worst odds he could have.
Jakob could’ve run 3:27 yesterday had there been a rabbit. He hasn’t lost fitness.
Kipsang took the lead, that was perfect for Jakob, no need to push the pace. Anybody else that find a reason to lead could be fine also. As far as I can remember it happened only once in the last 30y that everybody refused to push the pace until the last 400. If there is one 60 lap in the middle, it doesn't automatically makes Jakob loose lol. In the worst case, he is still the favorite to win with an all out last 600 off a slow pace. Obvioulsy he is not going to let it to a 100m kick in a 4:00 race.
Look how Bakkali ran the 3000sc despite being back to back WC and having a slower 1500 PR than Girma : following Girma from the start until the last 100. Girma didn't have to took the lead but he did and gave the victory to Bakkali.
People saying Kerr won because he has a 1:45 800PR and Jakob a 1:46 don't realize that the shape of the day and tactics matters much more than a 1sec difference in another event. Habz is a 3:29 guy and a1:43 800 runner and he finished 11th. It's not all about 800 PR. I didn't really follow Kerr training but it looks like he benefitted from doing longer stuff than usual including an HM race so sum it up as a 800 race is meaningless.
You're missing the point. Faster runners - like Kerr (whose 800 shows that) - who also have strength and endurance, have an advantage over him at the finish in a slower race.
You're missing the point. Faster runners - like Kerr (whose 800 shows that) - who also have strength and endurance, have an advantage over him at the finish in a slower race.
I specifically adressed this point. Please read again.
This season he was on another level compared to previous lost races.
Also it takes a 3.29 guy to have the race of his life to beat a 90% Jakob. So yes it's still unlileky even if it hapenned back to back. El Gerrouj also missed two Golds back to back at OG.
I don't think it's a kick problem. Tactics and bad luck. Looks like yesterday they were both in 3:28 low shape instead of the 3.27low/3.29mid scenario where Jakob can solo run it to the win. So in this case the one who leads looses. I still think Jakob can solo win it on a good day but he needs to be 100% and hope nobody in the top5 has the race of his life. Given the depth of the 1500 it's a bit risky.
I think there is an ego thing with "Cheryuiot did it solo so can I" but that race in Doha was an anomaly with an incredibly strong Cheryiuot and a weak field that day. Jakob had better swallow his pride and run behind somebody else. I think his chances are higher that way. But he is still the huge favorite for the next championship anyways.
Two of the loss of El G.: one was fall, the others was against the 1000m record holder and it played close until the last meters.
Yeah I honestly think Noah Ngeny was the best 1500m talent ever. He ran a 3:43 mile and a 2:11 1k, that’s just ridiculous. If only he hadn’t been hurt in that car crash
Back to back to back. It’s 3 consecutive championship races, not 2.
Running behind somebody like who? If Jakob didn’t go around Kipsang yesterday, the race might’ve slowed to 60s laps. In that style of race, he would’ve been ended possibly outside of the top 6.
The unfortunate case about being a strength-based 1500m runner is that he has only one strategy he can use to win. Run as close to his PR as possible. If the race is tactical and slow, that’s just about the worst odds he could have.
Jakob could’ve run 3:27 yesterday had there been a rabbit. He hasn’t lost fitness.
Kipsang took the lead, that was perfect for Jakob, no need to push the pace. Anybody else that find a reason to lead could be fine also. As far as I can remember it happened only once in the last 30y that everybody refused to push the pace until the last 400. If there is one 60 lap in the middle, it doesn't automatically makes Jakob loose lol. In the worst case, he is still the favorite to win with an all out last 600 off a slow pace. Obvioulsy he is not going to let it to a 100m kick in a 4:00 race.
Look how Bakkali ran the 3000sc despite being back to back WC and having a slower 1500 PR than Girma : following Girma from the start until the last 100. Girma didn't have to took the lead but he did and gave the victory to Bakkali.
People saying Kerr won because he has a 1:45 800PR and Jakob a 1:46 don't realize that the shape of the day and tactics matters much more than a 1sec difference in another event. Habz is a 3:29 guy and a1:43 800 runner and he finished 11th. It's not all about 800 PR. I didn't really follow Kerr training but it looks like he benefitted from doing longer stuff than usual including an HM race so sum it up as a 800 race is meaningless.
You are superficially analytical regarding the finish of yesterday's 1500m.
For argument sake, let's assume with pace lights and rabbits following pace lights, J Ingebrigtsen yesterday was capable of low 3:27.xx 1500m and no one else was capable of sub-3:28 1500m under any conditions. By default, we both agree J I was slightly fresher at 1300m compared to Josh Kerr. Note: J Kerr raced further yesterday, more meters.
We are left with J Kerr, a superior 800m man compared to J Ingebrigtsen.
Why is J Kerr a superior 800m man? There is a relatively strong correlation, 200m sprinting speed and 800m performance. We have no evidence J Kerr has a superior sprint twitch ratio compared to J Ingebrigtsen. WE DO KNOW from observing 1300m to 1500m yesterday, Josh Kerr has superior sprinting form compared to J Ingenbrigtsen. As I stated yesterday, the 1:45.xx 800m man outkicked the 1:46.xx 800m man.
Kipsang took the lead, that was perfect for Jakob, no need to push the pace. Anybody else that find a reason to lead could be fine also. As far as I can remember it happened only once in the last 30y that everybody refused to push the pace until the last 400. If there is one 60 lap in the middle, it doesn't automatically makes Jakob loose lol. In the worst case, he is still the favorite to win with an all out last 600 off a slow pace. Obvioulsy he is not going to let it to a 100m kick in a 4:00 race.
Look how Bakkali ran the 3000sc despite being back to back WC and having a slower 1500 PR than Girma : following Girma from the start until the last 100. Girma didn't have to took the lead but he did and gave the victory to Bakkali.
People saying Kerr won because he has a 1:45 800PR and Jakob a 1:46 don't realize that the shape of the day and tactics matters much more than a 1sec difference in another event. Habz is a 3:29 guy and a1:43 800 runner and he finished 11th. It's not all about 800 PR. I didn't really follow Kerr training but it looks like he benefitted from doing longer stuff than usual including an HM race so sum it up as a 800 race is meaningless.
You are superficially analytical regarding the finish of yesterday's 1500m.
For argument sake, let's assume with pace lights and rabbits following pace lights, J Ingebrigtsen yesterday was capable of low 3:27.xx 1500m and no one else was capable of sub-3:28 1500m under any conditions. By default, we both agree J I was slightly fresher at 1300m compared to Josh Kerr. Note: J Kerr raced further yesterday, more meters.
We are left with J Kerr, a superior 800m man compared to J Ingebrigtsen.
Why is J Kerr a superior 800m man? There is a relatively strong correlation, 200m sprinting speed and 800m performance. We have no evidence J Kerr has a superior sprint twitch ratio compared to J Ingebrigtsen. WE DO KNOW from observing 1300m to 1500m yesterday, Josh Kerr has superior sprinting form compared to J Ingenbrigtsen. As I stated yesterday, the 1:45.xx 800m man outkicked the 1:46.xx 800m man.
I don't agree with anything you say. I've already explained why i think Jakob wasn't in 3.27 yesterday. I don't think he was fresher at1300 than Kerr after leading 900m and Kerr 0m.
I don't think Kerr is a significantly better 800m runner than Jakob as his PB his 1:45 which is average for an elite 1500 runner and it's very likely Jakob is able to run 1:45 also since he ran 1:46 when he was a 3:28 high guy.
It's ridiculous to say it's all about Kerr running1:45. How do you explain that Habz with 3:29/1:43 didn't win then?
Even great champions have flaws - the late Ron Clarke is an example. Expect the same tactic to be used again and again now. I will be interested to see how Ingebritsen adjusts.
Take the lead much later and try to run 1:18 over the last 600m. No reason to move to the front at 400m. If he doesn't do that, the pace bunches up. He could go out in 57, the field compresses, and then he's right back into it. IDK. Maybe that still leaves him prone to get outkicked by someone. I think that he has a real issue in that if no one is willing to push the pace for the majority of the race and he does it, he opens the door for someone to run smooth like Kerr did and take him down.
Expect the same tactic to be used again and again now. I will be interested to see how Ingebritsen adjusts.
The only thing Jakob can do now to beat the competition is to run 3:28 low solo every time, unless some fool will pace him again, like Cheruiyot in Tokyo.
Otherwise at the biggest events there is ALLWAYS going to be at least one 3:29 runner, who will outkick him in the last 150m. One day it could be Wightman, other day Kerr, some other time it will be Nordas, then later Laros or anybody else.
Easier solution would be to just move up to 5000m. But it would mean to give up chasing the 1500m WR.
You are superficially analytical regarding the finish of yesterday's 1500m.
For argument sake, let's assume with pace lights and rabbits following pace lights, J Ingebrigtsen yesterday was capable of low 3:27.xx 1500m and no one else was capable of sub-3:28 1500m under any conditions. By default, we both agree J I was slightly fresher at 1300m compared to Josh Kerr. Note: J Kerr raced further yesterday, more meters.
We are left with J Kerr, a superior 800m man compared to J Ingebrigtsen.
Why is J Kerr a superior 800m man? There is a relatively strong correlation, 200m sprinting speed and 800m performance. We have no evidence J Kerr has a superior sprint twitch ratio compared to J Ingebrigtsen. WE DO KNOW from observing 1300m to 1500m yesterday, Josh Kerr has superior sprinting form compared to J Ingenbrigtsen. As I stated yesterday, the 1:45.xx 800m man outkicked the 1:46.xx 800m man.
I don't agree with anything you say. I've already explained why i think Jakob wasn't in 3.27 yesterday. I don't think he was fresher at1300 than Kerr after leading 900m and Kerr 0m.
I don't think Kerr is a significantly better 800m runner than Jakob as his PB his 1:45 which is average for an elite 1500 runner and it's very likely Jakob is able to run 1:45 also since he ran 1:46 when he was a 3:28 high guy.
It's ridiculous to say it's all about Kerr running1:45. How do you explain that Habz with 3:29/1:43 didn't win then?
Stop sulking. I am sure you agree with much I said:
1) You do not dispute J Kerr raced more meters than J Ingebrigsten raced yesterday.
2) I am sure if you know ANYTHING about sprinting, you cannot disagree J Kerr demonstrated superior sprinting form from 1300m to 1500m yesterday.
3) If you believe in a race with pace lights and human pacers, J I was capable of 3:27.xx yesterday, then by default, you agree J I was fresher at 1300m compared to J Kerr.
I am moving on.
I am doubling down on my prior statements on other posts: If 4000m is split 10:20 or faster, J Ingebrigsten will not win. I stated two days ago if J I raced 3:27.xx 1500m, he would have won. As I have been saying, if this is a sub-12:47.5 5000m final, J I will lose.
You are superficially analytical regarding the finish of yesterday's 1500m.
For argument sake, let's assume with pace lights and rabbits following pace lights, J Ingebrigtsen yesterday was capable of low 3:27.xx 1500m and no one else was capable of sub-3:28 1500m under any conditions. By default, we both agree J I was slightly fresher at 1300m compared to Josh Kerr. Note: J Kerr raced further yesterday, more meters.
We are left with J Kerr, a superior 800m man compared to J Ingebrigtsen.
Why is J Kerr a superior 800m man? There is a relatively strong correlation, 200m sprinting speed and 800m performance. We have no evidence J Kerr has a superior sprint twitch ratio compared to J Ingebrigtsen. WE DO KNOW from observing 1300m to 1500m yesterday, Josh Kerr has superior sprinting form compared to J Ingenbrigtsen. As I stated yesterday, the 1:45.xx 800m man outkicked the 1:46.xx 800m man.
I don't agree with anything you say. I've already explained why i think Jakob wasn't in 3.27 yesterday. I don't think he was fresher at1300 than Kerr after leading 900m and Kerr 0m.
I don't think Kerr is a significantly better 800m runner than Jakob as his PB his 1:45 which is average for an elite 1500 runner and it's very likely Jakob is able to run 1:45 also since he ran 1:46 when he was a 3:28 high guy.
It's ridiculous to say it's all about Kerr running1:45. How do you explain that Habz with 3:29/1:43 didn't win then?
Jakob isn't and never will be a 1:45 runner. I would guarantee Kerr is faster than Jakob over 200. As would be Wightman.
You're missing the point. Faster runners - like Kerr (whose 800 shows that) - who also have strength and endurance, have an advantage over him at the finish in a slower race.
I specifically adressed this point. Please read again.
No, you didn't. You think that the difference in 800 speed between Kerr and Jakob isn't relevant. It isn't only when it is given as the SOLE reason why Kerr beat Jakob (as did Wightman, who is a faster 800 runner). That isn't the argument. However, superior 800 ability is an indicator that a runner with greater top-end speed will beat Jakob if they also have enough endurance to stay with him to the finish. It has been proven twice now, with Kerr and Wightman before him. As has been pointed out here, Jakob needs a "rabbit" and a "time-trial" to beat the best 3.29 guys. With rare exceptions, that isn't a championship final. I also disagree that Jakob is the best over the last 600. El G was but Jakob isn't. He showed that in this last final, when he led for most of the last two laps.
You are superficially analytical regarding the finish of yesterday's 1500m.
For argument sake, let's assume with pace lights and rabbits following pace lights, J Ingebrigtsen yesterday was capable of low 3:27.xx 1500m and no one else was capable of sub-3:28 1500m under any conditions. By default, we both agree J I was slightly fresher at 1300m compared to Josh Kerr. Note: J Kerr raced further yesterday, more meters.
We are left with J Kerr, a superior 800m man compared to J Ingebrigtsen.
Why is J Kerr a superior 800m man? There is a relatively strong correlation, 200m sprinting speed and 800m performance. We have no evidence J Kerr has a superior sprint twitch ratio compared to J Ingebrigtsen. WE DO KNOW from observing 1300m to 1500m yesterday, Josh Kerr has superior sprinting form compared to J Ingenbrigtsen. As I stated yesterday, the 1:45.xx 800m man outkicked the 1:46.xx 800m man.
I don't agree with anything you say. I've already explained why i think Jakob wasn't in 3.27 yesterday. I don't think he was fresher at1300 than Kerr after leading 900m and Kerr 0m.
I don't think Kerr is a significantly better 800m runner than Jakob as his PB his 1:45 which is average for an elite 1500 runner and it's very likely Jakob is able to run 1:45 also since he ran 1:46 when he was a 3:28 high guy.
It's ridiculous to say it's all about Kerr running1:45. How do you explain that Habz with 3:29/1:43 didn't win then?
Jakob is a great runner. He’s not a great 1500m championship runner due to his top end limitations.
There is a 0% chance Jakob wins in a dawdle with a last 600m sprint. In that style of race, he’s more likely to get beat by more people than he is to win.
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