This has nothing to do with Bashir Abdi, AK or ADAK.
You condemn antidoping efforts as unfair in one moment (Houlihan, Getzmann, Salazar etc) and then you praise it in another - which is when you think it makes Kenya look good.
Is there no topic where you are not confused? The only common thread is avoiding punishing innocent athletes without due process.
To ban a whole country requires reasons. There were reasons for Russia (ARAF and RUSADA misconduct), but these reasons do not apply to Kenya (AK and ADAK). It's not just what I think, but it's what Coe told us that in the same Rome press conference.
Aren't the recent suspensions and busts evidence that the anti-doping system is working, and that someting is happening?
As long as AK and AKAD are fighting doping, the reasons for banning Russia (ARAF and RUSADA) simply do not apply.
If AK and AKAD can't stop the doping, then the same reasons do apply.
I have trouble believing this guy is clean himself, but he's quite right about Kenya.
Coe doesn't agree with you. "The case against Russia was about cover ups that were planned at the state authority level, but there is no suggestion that this is the case in Kenya," "In fact, quite the reverse."
In fact, it doesn't appear World Athletics was considering a full-scale ban: "World Athletics President Seb Coe said reports about a possible full-scale ban for the country were misguided, ..."
No national organization stops doping in their country. By your logic, all countries should be banned.
No country has over 200 + doping busts, or consitutes 40% of busts over the last year.
And no, I'm not reading or responding to your reply. Have you crossed the 11 million words barrier yet?
200+ busts, men and women, over 20 years?
What about Russia, India, China, USA, Italy, France, Kazhakstan, ... ?
Kenya is presently leading the world for doping positives in the sport of running. It only escaped a ban because WA chose to give it credit for its efforts to catch the dopers. A "whataboutism" that fails. But on to your next million words.
What about Russia, India, China, USA, Italy, France, Kazhakstan, ... ?
Kenya is presently leading the world for doping positives in the sport of running. It only escaped a ban because WA chose to give it credit for its efforts to catch the dopers. A "whataboutism" that fails. But on to your next million words.
The false claim was that "no country has over 200+ doping busts". For the sport of running that is not true. Whataboutism succeeded to name several other countries. Maybe Morocco also has more than 200 for this same timeframe.
Is Kenya currently leading? The AIU has banned 9 Russians so far in 2023, compared to 2 Kenyans.
Apparently Coe doesn't agree with you about a full-scale ban either:
"World Athletics President Seb Coe said reports about a possible full-scale ban for the country were misguided, ..."
Kenya is presently leading the world for doping positives in the sport of running. It only escaped a ban because WA chose to give it credit for its efforts to catch the dopers. A "whataboutism" that fails. But on to your next million words.
The false claim was that "no country has over 200+ doping busts". For the sport of running that is not true. Whataboutism succeeded to name several other countries. Maybe Morocco also has more than 200 for this same timeframe.
Is Kenya currently leading? The AIU has banned 9 Russians so far in 2023, compared to 2 Kenyans.
Apparently Coe doesn't agree with you about a full-scale ban either:
"World Athletics President Seb Coe said reports about a possible full-scale ban for the country were misguided, ..."
Can you post a link showing that either Morocco or the USA has had over 200 busts in athletics over the last 20 years? Russia is irrelevant as Russia HAS been banned.
And FYI, I believe Morocco should have been banned for the next 100 years.
Doping in US athletics has (at least until recently) been confined (confirmed cases) to sprints and field events. It would be fair to suspend the USA from competing in sprints until it cleaned up it's doping culture there.
The false claim was that "no country has over 200+ doping busts". For the sport of running that is not true. Whataboutism succeeded to name several other countries. Maybe Morocco also has more than 200 for this same timeframe.
Is Kenya currently leading? The AIU has banned 9 Russians so far in 2023, compared to 2 Kenyans.
Apparently Coe doesn't agree with you about a full-scale ban either:
"World Athletics President Seb Coe said reports about a possible full-scale ban for the country were misguided, ..."
Can you post a link showing that either Morocco or the USA has had over 200 busts in athletics over the last 20 years? Russia is irrelevant as Russia HAS been banned.
Russia is relevant to the extent it disproves that Kenya is the "only" country. Such an undertaking over 20 years requires digging into archives and collecting the data.
Between the years of 2013-2019 you can find WADA collecting and publishing the country data for athletics at their website (link below). The reports for 2020-2022 have not yet been published, and I did not look long enough to find 2003-2012 reports, if they exist.
In these 7 years of data at WADA's website, we can see USA has 63 sanctions, and Morocco has 58 -- maybe they would fall short of 200 if we could counted the missing 13 years. In that same 7-year timeframe we can see countries like Turkey had 83, and China had 96 and India had 157 and Russia had 225. Also notable in some years, with occasional double-digit sanctions, are countries like Belarus, Ukraine, and France and Italy, and Brazil and even in one year, Sweden.
Can you post a link showing that either Morocco or the USA has had over 200 busts in athletics over the last 20 years? Russia is irrelevant as Russia HAS been banned.
Russia is relevant to the extent it disproves that Kenya is the "only" country. Such an undertaking over 20 years requires digging into archives and collecting the data.
Between the years of 2013-2019 you can find WADA collecting and publishing the country data for athletics at their website (link below). The reports for 2020-2022 have not yet been published, and I did not look long enough to find 2003-2012 reports, if they exist.
In these 7 years of data at WADA's website, we can see USA has 63 sanctions, and Morocco has 58 -- maybe they would fall short of 200 if we could counted the missing 13 years. In that same 7-year timeframe we can see countries like Turkey had 83, and China had 96 and India had 157 and Russia had 225. Also notable in some years, with occasional double-digit sanctions, are countries like Belarus, Ukraine, and France and Italy, and Brazil and even in one year, Sweden.
Russia is relevant to the extent it disproves that Kenya is the "only" country. Such an undertaking over 20 years requires digging into archives and collecting the data.
Between the years of 2013-2019 you can find WADA collecting and publishing the country data for athletics at their website (link below). The reports for 2020-2022 have not yet been published, and I did not look long enough to find 2003-2012 reports, if they exist.
In these 7 years of data at WADA's website, we can see USA has 63 sanctions, and Morocco has 58 -- maybe they would fall short of 200 if we could counted the missing 13 years. In that same 7-year timeframe we can see countries like Turkey had 83, and China had 96 and India had 157 and Russia had 225. Also notable in some years, with occasional double-digit sanctions, are countries like Belarus, Ukraine, and France and Italy, and Brazil and even in one year, Sweden.
Doping is not just a Kenyan problem, but a world-wide problem. That's why a World Anti-Doping Agency exists.
Like the UN is about all nations but not all of them are democracies and some even invade their neighbours. Great argument.
But if Kenya is just one in the crowd then the sport is truly stuffed.
The UN isn't about turning countries into democracies. What an unusual analogy.
Some steps to "unstuffing" the sport are to stop exaggerating the problems, stop propogating myths, and start becoming better informed.
How is it possible that one poorly informed poster can say "no country has over 200 + doping busts", and no one else is willing or able to say that this statement is false? The sport is stuffed when headlines are more persuasive than real world facts.
How is it possible that elite athletes like Bashir Abdi don't understand the reasons why the IAAF was able to ban Russia, and why that is not applicable to Kenya, even after Coe has explained the cases of the two countries are opposites?
Like the UN is about all nations but not all of them are democracies and some even invade their neighbours. Great argument.
But if Kenya is just one in the crowd then the sport is truly stuffed.
The UN isn't about turning countries into democracies. What an unusual analogy.
Some steps to "unstuffing" the sport are to stop exaggerating the problems, stop propogating myths, and start becoming better informed.
How is it possible that one poorly informed poster can say "no country has over 200 + doping busts", and no one else is willing or able to say that this statement is false? The sport is stuffed when headlines are more persuasive than real world facts.
How is it possible that elite athletes like Bashir Abdi don't understand the reasons why the IAAF was able to ban Russia, and why that is not applicable to Kenya, even after Coe has explained the cases of the two countries are opposites?
The existence of an international body, whether it be WADA or the UN, does not lead to the conclusion that all its members are much the same. The differences within the UN are as dramatic as those within the membership of WADA. Some countries are much worse dopers than others. Like Kenya today.
Kenya and Russia aren't "opposites" - Iceland, which has no doping that I know of, and Russia are opposites. Kenya and Russia are both countries riven with doping. The difference is that Kenya is trying to do something about it while Russia wasn't. That doesn't make them "opposites".
The existence of an international body, whether it be WADA or the UN, does not lead to the conclusion that all its members are much the same. The differences within the UN are as dramatic as those within the membership of WADA. Some countries are much worse dopers than others. Like Kenya today.
Kenya and Russia aren't "opposites" - Iceland, which has no doping that I know of, and Russia are opposites. Kenya and Russia are both countries riven with doping. The difference is that Kenya is trying to do something about it while Russia wasn't. That doesn't make them "opposites".
No one argued or concluded all its members are the same.
You can play with semantics all you want, but I choose Coe over you. Here's what your man Coe said when comparing Kenya to Russia: "In fact, quite the reverse". It's the "reverse"-ness which permitted WADA to recommend, and the IAAF to ban Russia while for Kenya, as Coe put it, "reports about a possible full-scale ban for the country were misguided".
The existence of an international body, whether it be WADA or the UN, does not lead to the conclusion that all its members are much the same. The differences within the UN are as dramatic as those within the membership of WADA. Some countries are much worse dopers than others. Like Kenya today.
Kenya and Russia aren't "opposites" - Iceland, which has no doping that I know of, and Russia are opposites. Kenya and Russia are both countries riven with doping. The difference is that Kenya is trying to do something about it while Russia wasn't. That doesn't make them "opposites".
No one argued or concluded all its members are the same.
You can play with semantics all you want, but I choose Coe over you. Here's what your man Coe said when comparing Kenya to Russia: "In fact, quite the reverse". It's the "reverse"-ness which permitted WADA to recommend, and the IAAF to ban Russia while for Kenya, as Coe put it, "reports about a possible full-scale ban for the country were misguided".
You are the one who plays with word meanings. You always do. The "reverse" in this case applies to the contrasting approach the Kenyan and Russian officials took towards antidoping; it does not mean the countries are "opposites", as their doping issues show they are, in that regard, very similar.
It was widely believed, including by Kenyan officials, that Kenya was facing a ban. It was only that they have been making efforts to catch their dopers that prevented that. If they hadn't, Coe would have been singing a different tune. Probably a Russian-sounding tune with the word "ban" in it.
Because their top people are protected and given the chance to "retire" for exactly 6 months or 4 years or whatever instead of being suspended. Multiple examples of this.
You are the one who plays with word meanings. You always do. The "reverse" in this case applies to the contrasting approach the Kenyan and Russian officials took towards antidoping; it does not mean the countries are "opposites", as their doping issues show they are, in that regard, very similar.
It was widely believed, including by Kenyan officials, that Kenya was facing a ban. It was only that they have been making efforts to catch their dopers that prevented that. If they hadn't, Coe would have been singing a different tune. Probably a Russian-sounding tune with the word "ban" in it.
Recall, I said that "Coe has explained the cases of the two countries are opposites". Somehow, you obliviotly transformed "opposite cases" into "opposite countries", in order to argue against something else.
The oppositeness of the cases is precisely the point explaining why Russia was banned, and Kenya was not.
Now you say "It was widely believed ...". Whoa, whoa, whoa -- stop right there and let's all let that sink in. Wow! Widely believed! It was widely believed! Let me sit down. Even by top Kenyan officials! I need a moment to catch my breath.
Hey, you are preaching to the choir about the breadth, and depth, and height of wide beliefs. Tabloids and headlines prey on these wide beliefs.
But now we all KNOW, according to Lord Coe himself, such wide BELIEFS were "misguided".
Whatever you widely believed before, there is no excuse for you going forward, as Coe has cleared up both of your mis-guided beliefs.
You are the one who plays with word meanings. You always do. The "reverse" in this case applies to the contrasting approach the Kenyan and Russian officials took towards antidoping; it does not mean the countries are "opposites", as their doping issues show they are, in that regard, very similar.
It was widely believed, including by Kenyan officials, that Kenya was facing a ban. It was only that they have been making efforts to catch their dopers that prevented that. If they hadn't, Coe would have been singing a different tune. Probably a Russian-sounding tune with the word "ban" in it.
Recall, I said that "Coe has explained the cases of the two countries are opposites". Somehow, you obliviotly transformed "opposite cases" into "opposite countries", in order to argue against something else.
The oppositeness of the cases is precisely the point explaining why Russia was banned, and Kenya was not.
Now you say "It was widely believed ...". Whoa, whoa, whoa -- stop right there and let's all let that sink in. Wow! Widely believed! It was widely believed! Let me sit down. Even by top Kenyan officials! I need a moment to catch my breath.
Hey, you are preaching to the choir about the breadth, and depth, and height of wide beliefs. Tabloids and headlines prey on these wide beliefs.
But now we all KNOW, according to Lord Coe himself, such wide BELIEFS were "misguided".
Whatever you widely believed before, there is no excuse for you going forward, as Coe has cleared up both of your mis-guided beliefs.
You are welcome.
No one uses so many words to such ill effect as you do. If you actually said something I might respond. But you didn't.
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