New TAS vide EXPOSES doping in American distance running

Yeah I'm just assuming he means Rupp here unless someone can offer reasonable evidence its someone else. Is there really any other multi-olympian US athlete with a greater history of gray area doping?

Having 40+ supplements is definitely a health issue. You have a combination of 40+ separate health issues and deficiencies? Obviously, this is the Salazar effect, where you take things in the gray area in the hopes of getting an advantage. But I wonder if this could negatively impact you in the long run.

I agree with the need for transparency. I would also like to see what it is that the pros are claiming/taking/using. We certainly don't need to see specific names of the athletes. That would be a violation of their rights. But, what percentage are on thyroid medication, asthma meds., anti-depressants, etc.

the dude is 5 years late at least.

when al sal circus was going on; where was he then?

Absolutely this. The right to privacy should be waived if you agree to participate in a race that could be subjected to drug testing. This lack of transparency does nothing to promote confidence in the system.

Did we all just accept that thyroid meds are ok? I’m not at the top level of the sport but I run with enough people who are and it seems EVERYBODY is on it. A certain elite team in Boulder has people on it. Sara Hall had a tweet yesterday about doping being rare in sport but Ryan was one of the first to take thyroid meds and after 5min of research to confirm this I found an article that his brother Chad even started taking the meds in college to turn a season around. Idk how many Americans are taking truly illegal stuff, as easy as it is to microdose, but imo thyroid meds is the first step towards being willing to blur that line.

Why do you say Ryan was “one of the first”? Prove that statement with your 5min google search.

One of the first major names made public, along with Rupp. Carl Lewis I guess wins for first major name in track.

wsj.com

U.S. Track's Unconventional Physician

Sara Germano and Kevin Clark

Dr. Jeffrey S. Brown has treated several Olympic athletes for hypothyroidism. But in the wake of doping scandals, websites are rife with speculation about hypothyroid medication being used as a performance-enhancing drug.

Link:www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014241278873...

chad:

pressenterprise.com

Thyroid medication gets UCR’s Hall back on course

RIVERSIDE – Chad Hall enters his senior season as the top men’s cross country runner in UC Riverside’s Division I history.But even that distinction holds little satisfaction for t…

Link:www.pressenterprise.com/2011/09/16/thy...

It’s behind a paywall. Hall is 40. Kara Goucher is 44. It’s alleged on this forum she supposedly introduced NOP to Dr. Brown first. Yet Carl Lewis was on it, and NOP’s Salazar was not aware of that before Goucher showed up?

And research further to see when Magness started on it.

And any young runner out there thinking about getting some ideas here, be forewarned that once you go on the synthetic thyroid med, you can expect to be on it the rest of your life.

I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make? This just proves how many people are taking thyroid meds and how long it’s been a thing that I guess we all just look the other way on.

My brother is an endocrinologist, and I asked him about this very issue almost 10 years ago. Hardcore training and even excessive life stress can be a not unheard of cause of the thyroid to just basically stop working. There are many other things like vitamin deficiencies, infections, or autoimmune diseases that cause it as well. Basically, abusing your body with repeated 120 mile weeks takes its toll. With a failing thyroid, your metabolism tanks and the best way to think of it is your body just slows down. If your thyroid needs help from the beat down you’re giving your body, then that seems legit. Using it when your thyroid is already functioning appropriately to increase your body’s thermostat and lose weight is not ok. I’m sure that in order to have a TUE, you’d have to show proof that your thyroid hormone levels were inadequate. I’d also assume (I don’t know), that you’d probably have to show periodic labs to be able to continue with treatment and be legal under the TUE stipulations.

Of course, since testosterone also tanks with hard training, then the argument for testosterone replacement also becomes an issue.

The point is, people do look the other way, because there is apparently no way to keep this sport from being dirty, any way one slices it.

So is it really worth it for an aspiring young runner to screw their physicality up, requiring drug use the rest of their life, in order to improve their 5k by a few seconds.

Cut the crap, it's me you're talking to. Dr. Jeffrey Brown (Houston, TX) is 73. In 1973 he would have been 23. In 1983 he would have been 33. Saladbar trained in Houston before 1984 Olympics. Not unreasonable to think Saladbar know Dr. Jeffrey Brown (Houston, TX) then....and long before Kara did.

Did Saladbar ever send Todd Lewis (Arizona State) to visit Dr. Jeffrey Brown (Houston, TX)?

I'm sure after he posted it he bookmarked the LRC thread on the responses to the vid.

I know coaches tell their athletes (HS and up) not to go on LRC, even back in the early '00s and late '90s when I ran in HS, but they do...

Anyone aware of more natural ways to increase thyroid function? I’ve read some things about iodine and selenium supplements but don’t know how effective they are in reality.

I went to a GNC the other day in Dublin and there was all sorts of stuff like that but I was afraid to purchase w/o doing more research :/

She had a vid where she had a VW microbus, so if you see that bus driving around Flagstaff, headed to sites with other runners nearby that appeared to be in a team setting, that would "bug" me to no end. :p