Biological Male Claims to Have Period Cramps

RunRagged wrote:

oncearunnerrrrrr wrote:

But why does this OFFEND you so much? like why does this matter? what does this impinge on your day or your womanhood if someone is talking about a period they don't have? It's that anger I don't understand. Like wtf cares.

One reason this OFFENDs me is that women have fought for generations for our unique health issues like often-debilitating menstrual cramps, heavy bleeding, endometriosis and PMS/PMDD to be taken seriously by the medical profession and the world - yet these problems are still pooh-poohed as trivial and not given the same due and attention that health problems affecting males get.

So it sticks in the craw of some of us who have been fighting our whole lives to get female-only health issues to be taken seriously to see young entitled males from the "first world" with little life experience, no understanding of women and our bodies - some of whom aare still probably depending on their mothers to pay their bills and provide them with health insurance (and maybe their meals, laundry and internet service too) - making a mockery of these very real health problems and all the women and girls who experience them by saying that their male bad moods, stomach aches, bowel pains, diarrhea, undigested burritos and trapped gas are not only just as bad as menstrual uterine cramps and menstrual-related distress, but they are actually caused by periods, pre-menstrual syndrome and the same kind of "cycles" that women and girls go through.

Another reason I am OFFENDED is that throughout history, men and boys have mocked, privately humiliated, publicly shamed, stigmatized, bullied, ostracized, punished, banished and discriminated against girls and women for having periods. Menstruation and related natural female bodily processes have been used by men and boys time and again in the past - and still are used in the present in much of the world - to justify excluding girls and women from the voting booth, education, property ownership, sports and PE, worship and the clergy, jobs, professions, activities like operating machinery and motor vehicles, positions of responsibility, high elected office - and to justify denying us basic legal rights and the chance to participate fully in life outside the home.

So it's galling to some of us to see a bunch of young, entitled males who've lived pampered "first world" lives - and whose own very limited "lived experience" seems to consist largely of gaming, watching online porn, consuming mass media like anime, sci fi and fantasy, mirror-gazing, cosplay, selfie-taking and "gender studies"- now playacting at having periods, menstrual cramps and PMS for attention, "validation" and social media entertainment and bragging rights - all the while making it seem as though periods themselves and all the social and political consequences that women and girls have been made to suffer for them by men and boys since time immemorial either didn't happen or simply don't matter. Coz to these guys - oops, I mean this particular subset of "transwomen" - periods are simply a ploy to get sympathy, social media views and likes, and an excuse to eat chocolate.

My question to you is: if you are really a woman as you keep saying you are, how come you aren't offended by this at all?

RunRagged wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Umm... what percentage of trans women claim to have "period cramps" or any physical discomfort only cis women experiece? Do you have any reliable data?

Are trans women ridiculed only when they claim to have period cramps or other physical discomfort unique to female bodies? Or are they ridiculed every time they claim to be women? Are they the same thing to you because you think "being a woman" is identical to having physical discomfort unique to female bodies?

To me, being a woman means simply means being a human being of the female sex who has reached adulthood. No need to have physical discomfort of any kind.

The fact that many women and girls have experienced physical discomforts unique to female bodies doesn't mean all women and girls have or will. Nor does it mean that feeling physical discomfort is a defining feature and necessary condition of being a female human at any age.

HTH.

Now your turn: how do you define "being a woman"?

oncearunnerrrrrr wrote:

RunRagged wrote:

One reason this OFFENDs me is that women have fought for generations for our unique health issues like often-debilitating menstrual cramps, heavy bleeding, endometriosis and PMS/PMDD to be taken seriously by the medical profession and the world - yet these problems are still pooh-poohed as trivial and not given the same due and attention that health problems affecting males get.

So it sticks in the craw of some of us who have been fighting our whole lives to get female-only health issues to be taken seriously to see young entitled males from the "first world" with little life experience, no understanding of women and our bodies - some of whom aare still probably depending on their mothers to pay their bills and provide them with health insurance (and maybe their meals, laundry and internet service too) - making a mockery of these very real health problems and all the women and girls who experience them by saying that their male bad moods, stomach aches, bowel pains, diarrhea, undigested burritos and trapped gas are not only just as bad as menstrual uterine cramps and menstrual-related distress, but they are actually caused by periods, pre-menstrual syndrome and the same kind of "cycles" that women and girls go through.

Another reason I am OFFENDED is that throughout history, men and boys have mocked, privately humiliated, publicly shamed, stigmatized, bullied, ostracized, punished, banished and discriminated against girls and women for having periods. Menstruation and related natural female bodily processes have been used by men and boys time and again in the past - and still are used in the present in much of the world - to justify excluding girls and women from the voting booth, education, property ownership, sports and PE, worship and the clergy, jobs, professions, activities like operating machinery and motor vehicles, positions of responsibility, high elected office - and to justify denying us basic legal rights and the chance to participate fully in life outside the home.

So it's galling to some of us to see a bunch of young, entitled males who've lived pampered "first world" lives - and whose own very limited "lived experience" seems to consist largely of gaming, watching online porn, consuming mass media like anime, sci fi and fantasy, mirror-gazing, cosplay, selfie-taking and "gender studies"- now playacting at having periods, menstrual cramps and PMS for attention, "validation" and social media entertainment and bragging rights - all the while making it seem as though periods themselves and all the social and political consequences that women and girls have been made to suffer for them by men and boys since time immemorial either didn't happen or simply don't matter. Coz to these guys - oops, I mean this particular subset of "transwomen" - periods are simply a ploy to get sympathy, social media views and likes, and an excuse to eat chocolate.

My question to you is: if you are really a woman as you keep saying you are, how come you aren't offended by this at all?

Trans people are not the barrier that's getting in the way of female health issues being taken seriously. Conservatives are.

Trans people didn't route en masse for abortion to be outlawed. Conservatives did.

Trans people aren't campaigning to limit access to birth control--which helps to alleviate a lot of the symptoms you described, Conservative groups are.

Trans Activists for all their faults aren't minimizing cis women's pain, or limiting research that can help with women's related health issues--(mostly conservative) men do.

The trans community was NEVER at the forefront of any cultural norm which stigmatized, bullied, ostracized or banished women who were having their periods--(conservative) men did that.

Why don't these men offend you? Why does it offend you more when you see a person pretending to have a period, than seeing a cis male lawmaker take away women's rights?

You should be directing your anger at the people who made lives harder for cis women in this capacity. The misogyny that was directed at me growing up for having my period was 100% driven by cis men.

oncearunnerrrrrr wrote:

RunRagged wrote:

But live and let live should work both ways, right? These people are not merely discussing the symptoms of the medications they choose to take. No one would care if that's all they did and if they used terminology specific to what they personally are going through.But that's not what they're doing. These male people are claiming in magazine articles, videos and all over social media that they have menstrual periods, menstrual cramps and pre-menstrual syndrome. Coz it's "validating" to their self-images and fantasies.

Some people see this as offensive appropriation of other people's "lived experience" - an often difficult and painful lived experience that girls and women not only have suffered through and had to cope with since time immemorial, but which girls and women in cultures round the world over the course of history have been shamed, stigmatized, ostracized, locked up, restricted and punished for, discriminated against, and turned into social pariahs for, too. Even today, there are places in the world were menstruating girls and women are banished from their homes to prison-like menstrual huts for the duration of their periods - or they are not allowed to enter the kitchens in their homes, to engage in worship and other group activities, to eat with their families, or to sleep in their regular beds.

To me, males claiming they have periods, menstrual cramps and PMS is along the lines of a person with chest congestion claiming to have cystic fibrosis, a civilian engaging in military stolen valor, or a fabulist like George Santos saying his mother died in 9-11, he and his family are Jewish and his grandparents fled the Holocaust.

Also, none of these persons are on "HRT."

HRT stands for "hormone replacement therapy." The term and acronym were coined to describe the hormones women sometimes take during menopause to replace the sex hormones our bodies stop making when our ovaries start shutting down. Women on HRT for menopause take estrogen (or estrogen and progesterone) in amounts lower than the amounts our bodies naturally made in our peak reproductive years.

By contrast, males who who take T suppressants and exogenous estrogen for reasons of "gender transition" are not replacing any hormones their bodies once naturally made and need to replace to counteract physical dysfunction. Males also take much higher doses of estrogen for "gender transition" than would ever be prescribed to menopausal women. Males do this for the cosmetic changes that estrogen brings them, particularly the breast development and help in staving off male pattern baldness. That's very different to women taking HRT in order to treat debilitating physical problems that come with or after menopause like hot flushes, UTIs, insomnia, night sweats, osteoporosis, vaginal atrophy, urinary incontinence and memory loss.

Well, you as a woman are very passionate about something I'm just not that passionate about.

again--is this a widespread issue with trans women? or is this a few trying to make the whole lot look crazy?

one thing about being a cis woman I am thankful for, is that no one calls me being exactly who I am a fantasy. No one tries to tell me I'm Not A woman a million times a day, and writes paragraphs about it.