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2 years ago 12/05/2022 5:16pm EST

re: runnerryan

runnerryan wrote:
Her 15:15.92 is 1.081855 times the world record of 14:06.62.
If we multiply the men's world record of 12:35.36, we get 13:37.19. 24 college guys ran faster than that at BU.
If we assume the men's world record is soft (Bekele ran 12:37 before super shoes, and Cheptegei's 12:35 was run in somewhat less than ideal conditions) and use 12:29 instead of 12:35.36, you get 13:30.31 if you multiply by that amount. 12 college guys ran faster than that at BU.

Wow...just seems like people are looking for any reason to insult someone else on here...

Anyway, it's an interesting approach to measure performances against WR times...although I don't believe it tells you anything regarding the performance itself, rather than the quality of the WR instead. What I mean by that is that some WR's have been set that are a massive improvement over the last (ie Bolts 9.58). So by Bolt destroying the old records, it makes every other male runner look slower if you are comparing based on the WR...where in fact it had nothing to do with the other runners.

I believe a much more relevant comparison would be against previous years seasons best or World / Olympic winning times. This way you are comparing a performance against a relevant benchmark rather than potentially a one-off performance.

Anyway, Tuohys race was clearly not what she was looking for...but anything around a PB is a great race for anyone. Tuohy not lowering her PB in her first race of the year is not terrible...she has a full season to try to meet her expectations.

2 years ago 12/05/2022 5:28pm EST

re: data guru

data guru wrote:
That means the world class women are pulling firther away from college women. There is your answer. The gap between 1-50 for men in the 5000 outdoor 2022 was 1/2 what it was for women.

But it also means college men, as well, are not keeping up with the relative improvement being seen by world class women! Consequently, there can be no valid assessment of ‘college-women-improvement-in-depth’ compared to ‘college-men-improvement-in-depth’ with the OP’s only one data point on a college runner.

2 years ago 12/05/2022 5:33pm EST

re: observing here

observing here wrote:
data guru wrote:
That means the world class women are pulling firther away from college women. There is your answer. The gap between 1-50 for men in the 5000 outdoor 2022 was 1/2 what it was for women.
But it also means college men, as well, are not keeping up with the relative improvement being seen by world class women! Consequently, there can be no valid assessment of ‘college-women-improvement-in-depth’ compared to ‘college-men-improvement-in-depth’ with the OP’s only one data point on a college runner.

“…only one data on only one college female runner.” The answer is that something extra-ordinary is going on in the elite females, in terms of the relative improvement between the sexes.

2 years ago 12/05/2022 6:48pm EST

re: ncaa dude

ncaa dude wrote:
Her American record is the American record. Trying to discount it as doped is false and will get you banned.

Dope fact dude.

2 years ago 12/05/2022 6:51pm EST

re: observing here

The answer is that something extra-ordinary is going on in the elite females, in terms of the relative improvement between the sexes.

Doping is rampant at the elite levels. The women's 5k record is a doped record. Seen the news lately? Look how many athletes are getting busted.

2 years ago 12/05/2022 6:53pm EST

re: semihaze

You can look the record up. Let me know if you need help.

2 years ago 12/05/2022 6:59pm EST

re: runnerryan

See how none of those guys at BU has an NCAA title while Katelyn Tuohy has 4 national titles and 3 runner-up titles as a 20. year old collegiate runner?

Katelyn's main goal in each season is to win as many national championships possible, not time trial all season and choke in the race where it matters most.

BU 5k was is the first time Katelyn entered in a fast race wanting to run a fast time, she never ran on any fast meets with pro runners pushing the pace. But obviously she was worn out from all the WINNINGshe did all year.

You can talk sht about how her times isnt fast enough compared to Epothians, but so does every collegiate runner out there. We can talk sht about how your idols cant even win one national individual title in the collegiate level.

A win is a win.

2 years ago 12/05/2022 7:00pm EST

re: data guru

Im looking at her USADA Doping record as we speak 🙂

2 years ago 12/05/2022 7:48pm EST

re: runnerryan

Tuohy has all the years to run fast. Your idols only have few years left to win at least one individual title. No one will remember their fast time because the younger guys will demolish it in the next five years, but a lot will remember how many titles they won. So far they have none, how about Tuohy?

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