What you said is incomplete. Female runners can't take testosterone if they want to compete against females. If they want to compete against males as a trans man then it won't make any difference at the elite level. Gidey with testosterone won't beat the top men.
But they are NOT competing against males, are they?
Read the first post again:
Transgender men can register to compete in the male or female category, unless they are undergoing hormone treatment related to gender transition that includes testosterone or any other banned substance, in which case they must register in the male category.
Meaning, transgender men (i.e. someone who was born female but identifies as a male) can only compete against women if they are NOT taking banned substances like testosterone, in this case they would be biologically female. However, once they start the hormonal transition process it is fair to the biologically female competitors to have them compete in the male category.
A biological female on steroids who comes from a small subset of soft-legged gender-breakers is not statistically likely of having an advantage over natural-born male humans. If they do it is western states, who cares? Don't mistake me for someone who does not care about any of these trans sports issues. That would be someone else.
Transgender men can register to compete in the male or female category, unless they are undergoing hormone treatment related to gender transition that includes testosterone or any other banned substance, in which case they must register in the male category.
Meaning, transgender men (i.e. someone who was born female but identifies as a male) can only compete against women if they are NOT taking banned substances like testosterone, in this case they would be biologically female. However, once they start the hormonal transition process it is fair to the biologically female competitors to have them compete in the male category.
It's about fairness, not pro-PED. You're right. People with a political agenda (which is absolutely allowed) on both sides are trying to spin this.
"Not joking. Western States will let athletes compete while on steroids, if they are trans men"
This is the Democrat party agenda. If you voted Democrat in the last few years, then you voted for this. I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't have. It's just a fact.
8 downvotes, no upvotes. I guess that's 8 Democrats that voted for the radical transgender sports agenda, but had no clue they were doing it.
I’d say that’s a fair, reasonable way to do it. What’s the outrage? Transgender men are females taking testosterone. Why would we want them competing with women? They should compete with men and will get obliterated.
Because it creates a double standard, in which certain types of people are allowed to take PEDs, and others are not. This could get quite murky, especially in the Ultra world, where the margins between male and female performances narrow.
Imagine if a female as good as Courtney Dauwalter transitions and is allowed to take testosterone, would that be fair? Over 200 miles, Courtney is already better than 99.99%+ of men.
Isn’t the gap really small because testosterone levels simply don’t matter that much in ultra-running?
Because it creates a double standard, in which certain types of people are allowed to take PEDs, and others are not. This could get quite murky, especially in the Ultra world, where the margins between male and female performances narrow.
Imagine if a female as good as Courtney Dauwalter transitions and is allowed to take testosterone, would that be fair? Over 200 miles, Courtney is already better than 99.99%+ of men.
Isn’t the gap really small because testosterone levels simply don’t matter that much in ultra-running?
Testosterone is a huge aid to recovery; allowing the athlete to train harder and recover much more quickly.
There are many other variables that ultra-running introduces (metabolism, pace judgment, fatigue resistance, sleep deprivation, etc.) that minimise the overall contribution to performance that testosterone has; but the ability to recover from hard training is still incredibly important.
Courtney Dauwalter, for example, is obviously very good at the things mentioned above, which allows her to close the gap to her male rivals. If you add a PED, like testosterone, she'd be able to train even harder, and she'd be even better.
lot of people on this board, and I’m sure elsewhere, would like to strike a grand bargain with the transgender movement. They want to affirm that gender isn’t entirely social construct, and can be changed for any reason, and at any time. But they want those people to stay in their biological sexual classification for athletic contests. It’s inconsistent and it isn’t going to work.
I think you meant to write "they want to affirm that gender IS a social contract... but they want those people to stay in their biological sexual classification for athletic contests."
If that is what you meant to write, then yes, I do want that.
I think that this is the correct path forward. Compromise is the key to successfully living in a large, diverse, pluralistic, free country. If you want things to be cut-and-dry or set-in-stone, you need to live in a more rigid society (like rural Iran or the 16th century).
For modern, moderate people, we can be tolerant of men and women who want to act and dress and behave in non-traditional ways AND we can also demand that sports be segregated by genetically determined sex. There is no reason for this to be so difficult for people to understand.
There has never been a documented case of hermaprhoditism in human beings.
You are literally trying to erase people with ovotesticular syndrome from the face of the earth. For what purpose? Because there are narcissists and psychopaths who use their gender ideology as a cover for their misogyny?
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What exactly are you trying to accomplish by spreading this binary ideology? Have you ever thought how you would feel to be told that you do not exist in this world?
I have mixed feelings about this because I'm regularly around people who insist that interests, social roles, and personality traits--commonly grouped under the umbrella term, gender--have no relationship to sex. The sex/gender distinction, though useful for identifying the ways society can police people according to sex, creates a false dichotomy between nature and nurture. I know it doesn't have to do this, but it does in practice because people assume that social norms related to sex are entirely socially constructed. This leads some people to think that gender conforming people, rather than expressing the normative behavior patterns associated with their sex category, are dupes of socialization and morally inferior.
There's also this notion that people "identify" as a gender: woman, man, nonbinary. For people who aren't wrapped up in identity, this is really offensive. I'm a woman because I was born as a baby girl, not because I identify as such.
How many trans people think cis gender people are morally inferior dupes of socialization? Do you have any mass survey data? Or are you choosing to listen to only the most vocal and extreme elements because their outrageous opinions justify your transphobia?
Do you think this person looks down on cis women as morally inferior dupes of socialization?
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I know many trans people. This is simply not how it works. Literally no one is going around “changing their gender for any reason and at any time.” Some of you would really benefit from getting out of your bubble now and then.
Have you ever met a narcissist or psychopath? I have. Postmodern gender theories are a dream-come-true for them. Many women have encountered nasty, spiteful males in women's clothing who use gender identity ideology as a cover for their misogyny. It's the worst kind of gaslighting.
The fact that you know transpeople who are just trying to live their lives (spoiler alert: many of us know people like this) does not preclude bad faith actors from wielding a subjectivist ideology to abuse people and consolidate power.
Aside from all of that, trans people with good intentions should not be given special privileges in sport. Fairness matters.
Bolded for emphasis. It is important to recognize that transgenderism is philosophical, not scientific. The “science” behind it that it’s supporters try to cite followed the postmodern philosophies, not the other way around.
What you said is incomplete. Female runners can't take testosterone if they want to compete against females. If they want to compete against males as a trans man then it won't make any difference at the elite level. Gidey with testosterone won't beat the top men.
Correct, she won't beat the top men but she might win Western States;) Gidey on roids isn't running 2:01:39. But Gidey on roids and EPO might run 2:08.
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