I would be extremely surprised if the country was banned. For one Eliud Kipchoge is just too good for the NIKE and having him barred as part of it would just be too much of a loss for the world athletics community for that to ever happen.
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They aren't banning Kenya. Eliud Kipchoge is probably the only global superstar in the sport, they aren't going to take him out of the game.
Tell that to Lance Armstrong. If they are serious about cleaning up the sport, there is no better person to be an example than Kipchoge. If he has been doping then he’s got to go.
Banning a whole country should be reserved for state sponsored doping so they shouldn't be banned unless it can be proven the state is involved in doping the athletes.
From what I've been reading, Kenya have been given a reprieve. There may, however, be sanctions against particular camps and coaches.
Outrageous. Kenya needs to be banned for 10 years ASAP. Plus all coaches and agents associated with the dopers need to be banned for life end of.
Testing needs to get serious on Ethiopia and Uganda - if they start yielding piles of positives then ban them too.
The governing bodies need to come down with hammer fists on doping which is now out of control. If they do not, then the message is that they are not serious about controling doping.
Armstong was banned after or at the very end of his career. Not during his peak. That would be terrible if Kipchoge was busted now.
Are you suggesting even if he’s doping he should be able to continue to compete? I don’t understand that. If he’s been doping, then he needs to be banned immediately before he steals any more wins, prize money, and records.
Banning a whole country should be reserved for state sponsored doping so they shouldn't be banned unless it can be proven the state is involved in doping the athletes.
True, but on the other hand, willful ignorance has the same results as state-sponsored doping. If they can't clean it up, they should be banned.
From what I've been reading, Kenya have been given a reprieve. There may, however, be sanctions against particular camps and coaches.
Outrageous. Kenya needs to be banned for 10 years ASAP. Plus all coaches and agents associated with the dopers need to be banned for life end of.
Testing needs to get serious on Ethiopia and Uganda - if they start yielding piles of positives then ban them too.
The governing bodies need to come down with hammer fists on doping which is now out of control. If they do not, then the message is that they are not serious about controling doping.
Perhaps AIU is already testing in Ethiopia and Uganda at a similar level to Kenya but they just aren't testing positive. There seems to be no reason why AIU would target Kenya and just ignore Ethiopia and Uganda except perhaps safety because of the war in Ethiopia.
Armstong was banned after or at the very end of his career. Not during his peak. That would be terrible if Kipchoge was busted now.
Are you suggesting even if he’s doping he should be able to continue to compete? I don’t understand that. If he’s been doping, then he needs to be banned immediately before he steals any more wins, prize money, and records.
No that's not what I meant. I meant it would be terrible for the image of the sport. Worse than what Armstrong did to Cycling. But i guess a necessary evil.
Banning a whole country should be reserved for state sponsored doping so they shouldn't be banned unless it can be proven the state is involved in doping the athletes.
True, but on the other hand, willful ignorance has the same results as state-sponsored doping. If they can't clean it up, they should be banned.
TUE abuse borders on State-Sponsored doping. It is more accessible and appears to be more heavily used by wealthier/ politically stronger countries.
I really dislike the idea of banning an entire nation, that being said when it is obvious that the nation is not taking actions to help with the antidoping it makes it difficult to defend them. Turning a constant blind eye to doping and doping controls is de facto state sponsored doping.
My first and second inclination is to always go after the athletes, coaches, promoters, etc. before banning an entire country.
After retiring in 2005, Armstrong made a comeback to pro cycling in 2009, finishing third in that year's Tour and 23rd in the 2010 Tour. He retired for good from the sport in 2011 at age 39.
Banned in 2012. USADA never got him with a positive test, and UCI let him get away with a couple of positive tests. That history is not exactly a good example.
Kenya having more doping busts than other countries doesn't prove that more of their athletes are doping, just that more of them are getting caught. We already know that national anti-doping agencies are willing to bury their own athletes' positive tests, never mind the fact that the only people who ever get caught are the careless idiots. None of this is unique to Kenya or East Africa.
That sounds like some 'El K' style, 'Bus loads of positives from Kenya only goes to prove how clean Kenya is and how dirty other countries actually are' type nonsense to me.
Despite testing improving for Kenyan athletes a bit, they're still not as widely tested as most other countries. All these positives kinda indicate it's the tip of a rather large iceberg.
Although I do agree that the rampantly dirty Ethiopians will be laughing at all this. Their doping is fully state sanctioned and manage to completely control as and when outside testers can enter the country and have access to the athletes. It's little wonder none ever get caught.
It's an indictment of the entire sport, not really a defense of Kenya. Nowhere did I state or even imply that Kenya is less dirty than other countries, but people like Coevett are fooling themselves when they pretend that doping is only a huge issue in East Africa. Everyone wants to talk about the numbers, but why? They don't mean anything to me given how ineffective we know the testing is.
Things got a little awkward here with the Hassan Mead news 👀. I'm rooting for the US to shine on the world stage but news like this really makes me empathize with countries like Kenya. I'm super disappointed but would hate this news to create a shadow over other athletes that I believe in. A blanket ban of a country ain't it. Hold people responsible at the right level. If an athlete is doping, ban them. If an agent or coach is helping athletes dope dismantle their team and ban them. If the government is helping it's citizens dope, ban the country. Let's be fair.
After retiring in 2005, Armstrong made a comeback to pro cycling in 2009, finishing third in that year's Tour and 23rd in the 2010 Tour. He retired for good from the sport in 2011 at age 39.
Banned in 2012. USADA never got him with a positive test, and UCI let him get away with a couple of positive tests. That history is not exactly a good example.
USADA happily protects US athletes ,it's only when the AIU gets involved that Americans gey popped
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