When we find out what the new PED is?

Micro doping (hard to detect if done correctly).

That's what I've been assuming for awhile, just dose right below the line to avoid detection.

Also, some drugs have very short detection windows, where they are only in your system 24-36 hrs, less if micro-dosed. That makes them very hard to detect.

Got a link to the listserv archive or something? I'm familiar with the long deleted Malmo post on LRC where he admits to winstrol usage. You can find it on the web archive, and the mode (hmmm I wonder which one?) will delete it if you share it.

But to actually post on topic, I think a lot of people are probably on SARMs these days. CJ Ujah got busted for osterine I think. Scary stuff imo

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Ostarine is not the most scary of the SARMS imo. That’s the one that Ashley Paulson got popped for along with some NFL guys and others recently.

I think the days of taking one ingredient are long over, and that ostarine is likely just one part of a cocktail.

Regarding the listserv account, if you read what was written, you’ll notice that there is classic drug-seeking behavior. More recent accounts offload responsibility to Ron Tabb, ‘everybody’, etc. I find this problematic as I think it shows a deeper and more pervasive pattern of behavior than just trying something and not seeing the benefit.

I worry less about the drugs and more about genetic manipulation. I will not be surprised in another decade or so when runners from China, Russia, or some Middle Eastern emirates start dominating out-of-the-blue. Nations with both scientific know how and money will start (or already have started) using CRISPR to engineer superior athletes.

Your original post was amusing. The rest of this has turned silly. It is clear that malmo wishes he hadn't done it, isn't proud of it, and probably regrets revealing it on the old T&F list. Okay, he's probably revising his own justifications here and there. But, FFS, he is honest on the big thing, unlike a lot of other people from back in the day.

So instead of endlessly beating him up over this, might I suggest a little forgiveness, and learn from his experience. I'm sure neither you nor anyone else on this thread would ever consider doping, but had you been a perfessuhnul in Eugene back, then, or now, you might be surprised at what you might would have considered doing to stay in the game.

None of us on this thread had malmo's ability or dedication. This is bound to be a source of jealousy amongst certain types.

You keep throwing up a falsehood over and over. There was zero drug seeking behavior. I had no interest in drugs before, during and after. So stop the lies. There are no "recent accounts", its how it happened. Had i not gone to Tabbs house to use his jacuzzi one summer morning, the discussion would not have occurred and there would have been no visits to Dr Smulovitz, because I had no interest in that sh!te at all. After two months, I said fvk that sh/t. They can have it.

"Deeper and more pervasive behavior"? You're projecting. Thats not me at all.

There are no revisions, just additional clarity. I had deliberatly held some details close to the vest, especially my conversations with Alberto. Things that I knew, I knew. Things that I didnt know, he knew.

Tabb, as of few years ago was going to write a book and tell all. So far he hasn't. It remains to be seen, but if he didn't the Eugene drug scene would get blown up. The only person who would have more information is Doug Brown, but he is incapable of doing the right thing. Dick Brown RIP tried to leak a few biscuits a couple of decades ago, but minimized what really went on. Jack Daniels, who worked closely with Dick Brown, hasn't revealed anything.

Doug Brown is the key to it all. If he talks a lot of reputations will collapse.

Guys like dmb don't know sh!t.

Dirty laundry. It's not the way forward. It's regressive.

The way forward is to steer young athletes away from the quacks and the creepy manipulators.

I actually believe that both are inhumane and have wrecked lives. Are we going to start seeing weird mutations increase like heterochromia and polydactylism?

I still feel for the GDR athletes and health effects that they faced. I do wonder what the hell is going on in countries where they have ‘extra’ children.

See, I’m not endless beating him up on this. I’ve always called it as I saw it. I think the response speaks for itself, and I don’t believe it is indicative of someone who is being truthful.

I will say that I have made my feelings known to a principal of the site and I was told something very similar to your post. I get It, I would not think that you are wrong except for the things that he says and continues to say in this thread, including personal attacks. I have a problem with revisionist history and will call it out if I see it. I was told that it is ok to address it if he brings it up.