BYU takes down #1 NAU, wins Cowboy Jamboree. Stanford also beats NAU.

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3 years ago 09/25/2022 8:09am EDT

re: zcvxxcvz

zcvxxcvz wrote:
Nico may have underachieved at nationals xc last year because the team was unused to the humid conditions that day in Tallahassee. The demand to run with the team always affects the top runners on national contenders as well. Don't forget that he was hammering some in-season races last year before disappointing a bit at nationals. At Mtn Regionals, he was 2nd, just one second behind Conner Mantz, who became a two time national xc champion in Florida. Maybe this year Nico will push to be at his best at nationals. He should be among the favorites.

Also, if you watch the race, Nico and Drew Bosley did a lot of the middle leading of the race, they just didn’t have the finish. I assume they are training for the season properly and were not targeting this race.

3 years ago 09/25/2022 1:45pm EDT

re: cramister

cramister wrote:
ploopy wrote:
Nico didn't do amazing in XC last year either. Not that 11th at NCAA's isn't amazing but for a guy who got 4th as a true frosh it could be billed as "underperforming".
It's a bit confusing how he seems to be making bounds on the track but seems to have stagnated a bit in XC. Then again, he did run around 15 seconds faster this year at this meet than last season, so maybe it's just that the people around him are getting really good.
Was Nico's frosh year the xc season in the winter with a lot of the field missing?

A lot of the field? Who from the NCAA was going to finish ahead of him in 4th that just focused on track? Mayyybe Cooper Teare, that's it. All the big names that could've affected his placing pretty much showed up.

3 years ago 09/25/2022 1:57pm EDT

re: Blahbleheh

Teams don’t race everyone like they used to.
It’s only September.

…but let the speculation continue.

3 years ago 09/25/2022 4:22pm EDT

re: Grandpa Mantz

Grandpa Mantz wrote:
They just had to get rid of their leader Old Mantz for the rest of the team to reach their true potential

I don’t really care how old Mantz was he was fun to watch and is one of the gutsiest xc runners in recent memory.

The age shtick is pretty stale. Find some new material. That’s right, you can’t because you’re too much of a dullard.

3 years ago 09/25/2022 5:29pm EDT

re: efvgg

efvgg wrote:
cramister wrote:
Was Nico's frosh year the xc season in the winter with a lot of the field missing?
A lot of the field? Who from the NCAA was going to finish ahead of him in 4th that just focused on track? Mayyybe Cooper Teare, that's it. All the big names that could've affected his placing pretty much showed up.

I thought there were a couple of guys that doubled from the 5k and then beat him in the fall. In reality the difference between 4th and 11th most years is under 15s. That isn't much of a difference.

3 years ago 09/25/2022 6:12pm EDT

re: Supertramp

Supertramp wrote:
OC4 wrote:
Great run by BYU, but realistically they at best they are a fringe podium team at Nationals when all teams run their varsity squads
Ok State - add Rodriguez and Foster and they beat BYU by 30+ points
Stanford - add Robinson to the lineup and they beat BYU by 20+ points
NAU - add Hasty and Quax and they beat BYU as well despite Kusch having a really poor race
Based on the Dave Smith comments earlier this week, sounds like one of those two OKST guys may not be running this season.

Yeah, but for BYU 4th would be good. What's the background on some of these guys. I never heard of Joey Nokes or Davin Thompson. Were these the best races they've ever had?

3 years ago 09/25/2022 6:13pm EDT

re: fkkfkfkfkf

fkkfkfkfkf wrote:
efvgg wrote:
A lot of the field? Who from the NCAA was going to finish ahead of him in 4th that just focused on track? Mayyybe Cooper Teare, that's it. All the big names that could've affected his placing pretty much showed up.
I thought there were a couple of guys that doubled from the 5k and then beat him in the fall. In reality the difference between 4th and 11th most years is under 15s. That isn't much of a difference.

He did good in that race, but I don't place all my stock in one race. He got 4th, but he could have easily gotten 6th-9th in that race too. He's one of the best in the field and he could just easily have good days as he could have bad days. He's not Lawi Lalang or Edward Cheserek where he's close to unbeatable

3 years ago 09/25/2022 6:17pm EDT

re: NCAA watcher

NCAA watcher wrote:
Colorado surprised me. They may be top 5 at nationals.
Air Force surprised me. Thought they'd be higher.
Nico peaked the summer after high school. His 4th will be the highest he ever places.
OSU will go nowhere but down.
Your top three teams here are your top 3 in November, order depending on the day, and whether Colin runs.

The big tragedy is Washington. On paper they should be 4-6 at nationals but how can so many guys under good training all have a bad day.

At least Brian Fay is considtent.

Once again, Isai Rodriguez and Shay Foster haven't run and I have a feeling Ryan Schoppe will get better.

Oklahoma State can win it all.

It's hard to judge Nico's career over after one race. At the very least, I'd have trouble seeing him fall outside top ten

3 years ago 09/25/2022 6:24pm EDT

re: runnER/DR

runnER/DR wrote:
OC4 wrote:
Great run by BYU, but realistically they at best they are a fringe podium team at Nationals when all teams run their varsity squads
Ok State - add Rodriguez and Foster and they beat BYU by 30+ points
Stanford - add Robinson to the lineup and they beat BYU by 20+ points
NAU - add Hasty and Quax and they beat BYU as well despite Kusch having a really poor race
Fringe contenders for #1, yes. But fringe for the podium? Nice try. They are definitely a top 4 team even with Bons and Troutner out. Anything can happen at nationals, but on an average day they should be top 4. Clinger, Allen(both multi-time AA/top 20) and Nokes are an incredible top 3, with impressive depth after that.

If I'm not mistaken the big reason BYU didn't have a good season was because there was a humongous gap between either their top 3 and their 4 or their top 4 and their 5 (Manz, Garnica, Clinger, I can't remember if there was a 4th in that group). Either way, the main headline I remember was that Bons couldn't keep up with the other guys. Bons was in several races where he couldn't help his team so I view that as a pretty good basis of what the guy can or can't do.

I do wonder what to make of the theory that Nico Young and Drew Bosley treated it like a tempo run and weren't motivated to see if they could duel with Hicks and Sprout at the end. Those two seem to both be dark horse title contenders and Young should theoretically be motivated for a statement win against them for a moral victory.

3 years ago 09/25/2022 9:18pm EDT

re: Ok7272

Ok7272 wrote:
Supertramp wrote:
Based on the Dave Smith comments earlier this week, sounds like one of those two OKST guys may not be running this season.
Yeah, but for BYU 4th would be good. What's the background on some of these guys. I never heard of Joey Nokes or Davin Thompson. Were these the best races they've ever had?

Creed and Davin Thompson are identical twins. They both ran at NXN as Jr's in 2019 Creed was #11, Davin #23. COVID took out any national recognition their senior year in 2020. Both are obviously huge talents.

Nokes never had any national recognition in HS, but those who follow Utah running know he's insanely talented. He was #6 in an crazy talented NXR SW in 2018, top dog from UT but ran poorly at NXN.

3 years ago 09/25/2022 10:24pm EDT

re: runnER/DR

maybe it doesn’t change the outcome much, but a NAU runner who was in the lead group went down pretty hard on one of the big down hills. seen in the link below

YouTube.com

2022 OSU Cowboy Jamboree // College Men's Race

Chris Floyd

Men’s Resultshttps://live.athletic.net/meets/18214/xc-events/658465/scoresShoutout to the NAU dude who face planted.Drone footage of the first mile or so and...

Watch on YouTube

3 years ago 09/25/2022 10:45pm EDT

re: runnER/DR

runnER/DR wrote:
Ok7272 wrote:
Yeah, but for BYU 4th would be good. What's the background on some of these guys. I never heard of Joey Nokes or Davin Thompson. Were these the best races they've ever had?
Creed and Davin Thompson are identical twins. They both ran at NXN as Jr's in 2019 Creed was #11, Davin #23. COVID took out any national recognition their senior year in 2020. Both are obviously huge talents.
Nokes never had any national recognition in HS, but those who follow Utah running know he's insanely talented. He was #6 in a crazy talented NXR SW in 2018, top dog from UT but ran poorly at NXN.

The gist of what you are saying seems right, but the twins were 18 and 23 at Footlocker in ‘19, not NXN.

3 years ago 09/25/2022 11:05pm EDT

re: HarrierStu

Yea, I saw that too. Took other runners down with him. Anyone know the story on this?

3 years ago 09/25/2022 11:49pm EDT

re: Sdgggggg

Sdgggggg wrote:
runnER/DR wrote:
Creed and Davin Thompson are identical twins. They both ran at NXN as Jr's in 2019 Creed was #11, Davin #23. COVID took out any national recognition their senior year in 2020. Both are obviously huge talents.
Nokes never had any national recognition in HS, but those who follow Utah running know he's insanely talented. He was #6 in a crazy talented NXR SW in 2018, top dog from UT but ran poorly at NXN.
The gist of what you are saying seems right, but the twins were 18 and 23 at Footlocker in ‘19, not NXN.

I stand corrected

3 years ago 09/26/2022 12:08am EDT

re: Yubabjii

Yubabjii wrote:
Yea, I saw that too. Took other runners down with him. Anyone know the story on this?

I think it was Jack Scherer, who DNF. You can see him go down at 7:10 in the below video, looks like he stayed down at 7:22.

YouTube.com

2022 Cowboy Jamboree Men's 8k

Oklahoma State Athletics

The 2022 Cowboy Jamboree Men's 8k Race

Watch on YouTube

3 years ago 09/26/2022 10:55am EDT

re: jonesy22

Thanks for the video link. They were thinking Blanks was the leader until he saw Maier in the finishing straight, as if roughly 8th or 10th were the leader. Maier has tremendous form. You could pick him out as the guy with the best form in the front pack well before that decisive move he made to take the victory. He's very much improved. Hicks and then Bosley would be 2nd and 3rd in form but Hicks is a lot better right now. Young doesn't have that kind of change of gear right now. He stands upright too much for running and his arms are all over the place and too high. With a slight forward lean like some of the other guys and more disciplined, more relaxed cadence, and letting his arms drop lower, he'd be more of a force in the run for home, despite his excellent mile and 5000m abilities.

3 years ago 09/26/2022 10:56am EDT

re: zcvxxcvz

Incidentally, both Maier and Cook are from Flower Mound, Texas.

3 years ago 09/26/2022 11:24am EDT

re: zcvxxcvz

Wetmore really let if fly in his post race comments on their site. Rare to see a coach that honest about their team and being disappointed. Sounds like Austin V could make a late season return.

3 years ago 09/26/2022 1:06pm EDT

re: Bufffz

Bufffz wrote:
Wetmore really let if fly in his post race comments on their site. Rare to see a coach that honest about their team and being disappointed. Sounds like Austin V could make a late season return.

Thanks for sharing. He was brutally honest. Very rare indeed.

3 years ago 09/26/2022 4:58pm EDT

re: jonesy22

jonesy22 wrote:
Yubabjii wrote:
Yea, I saw that too. Took other runners down with him. Anyone know the story on this?
I think it was Jack Scherer, who DNF. You can see him go down at 7:10 in the below video, looks like he stayed down at 7:22.
Video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEEi8A7...

Thanks, jonesy22.

Interesting to see George Kusche in the early lead. He is too good of a runner to blow up like he did. I would expect Kusche to be one of NAUs top guys in November.

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