Molly Seidel runs 28k trail race (SpeedGoat)

hmm m wrote:

banned until the 28th wrote:

You don't know much about how testing works, do you...?
Anyway, it looks like she was never injured and lied about it to get out of Worlds.

I see three possibilities here:

1. She is actually injured and stupidly ran a trail race on the injury

2. She is not injured (or not as injured as she said she was) and didn't compete at Worlds because she couldn't get a TUE for adderall

3. She is not injured and didn't run worlds because she didn't feel mentally/physically ready for it so she gave way for Keira D'amato

(or 4. We have no idea what's actually going on)

shootpost wrote:

Also, this is example #76768 of while running isn't a professional sport.

Imagine if Lebron dropped out of the NBA finals and was seen playing pickup basketball in the park the same day.

The biggest issue is runners can just completely dark, they don't have to answer media questions, they don't have to disclose status (like injured reserve). There is no transparency. It is a joke.

And until she decides to become transparent, I have to assume the worst based on the clues provided- doping violation.

hmm m wrote:

banned until the 28th wrote:

You don't know much about how testing works, do you...?
Anyway, it looks like she was never injured and lied about it to get out of Worlds.

I see three possibilities here:

1. She is actually injured and stupidly ran a trail race on the injury

2. She is not injured (or not as injured as she said she was) and didn't compete at Worlds because she couldn't get a TUE for adderall

3. She is not injured and didn't run worlds because she didn't feel mentally/physically ready for it so she gave way for Keira D'amato

(or 4. We have no idea what's actually going on)

aboss wrote:

anyone know if she actually ran/walked the whole 28k?

shootpost wrote:

shootpost wrote:

Moving for 4 hours straight regardless of pace is still a tremendous stress for someone who is "hurt".

When you consider the race had 6400' ft of climbing, all technical terrain, all above 7600' that is TREMENDOUS stress.

I would say that is the equivalent stress of her doing 20 miles at 6 min pace. If not more.

If you are not an ultra or trail runner I understand completely how it is hard to believe how 17 miles at 14:30 pace is taxing.

But trust me, 6400' over just 17 miles is brutal. The amount of impact descending that amount has on the legs is a ton. Factor in how high of elevation it is too.

Absolutely massive effort regardless.

Lisa Watson wrote:

hmm m wrote:

I see three possibilities here:

1. She is actually injured and stupidly ran a trail race on the injury

2. She is not injured (or not as injured as she said she was) and didn't compete at Worlds because she couldn't get a TUE for adderall

3. She is not injured and didn't run worlds because she didn't feel mentally/physically ready for it so she gave way for Keira D'amato

(or 4. We have no idea what's actually going on)

Solid points. I hadn't considered #3.

flyoverstaterunner wrote:

hmm m wrote:

I see three possibilities here:

1. She is actually injured and stupidly ran a trail race on the injury

2. She is not injured (or not as injured as she said she was) and didn't compete at Worlds because she couldn't get a TUE for adderall

3. She is not injured and didn't run worlds because she didn't feel mentally/physically ready for it so she gave way for Keira D'amato

(or 4. We have no idea what's actually going on)

Any of the three could be true and I still don't know why she would choose to run in a public race with a fake name. If she wanted to get a solid trail run in, she easily could have found someone to run/guide her on a similar workout without any publicity. Irrespective of whether it's shady or deceptive, it's just a bizarre decision.

hmm m wrote:

flyoverstaterunner wrote:

Any of the three could be true and I still don't know why she would choose to run in a public race with a fake name. If she wanted to get a solid trail run in, she easily could have found someone to run/guide her on a similar workout without any publicity. Irrespective of whether it's shady or deceptive, it's just a bizarre decision.

Her boyfriend was photographing the event and she was out there on a trip with him. If I had to construct a scenario around what we know, it sounds like it was a last minute decision to run just because she was there and it seemed fun, and that she thought running under a fake name would avoid publicity and the "official-ness" of having the result attached to her name. Seems just generally poorly thought out

shootpost wrote:

Also, this is example #76768 of while running isn't a professional sport.

Imagine if Lebron dropped out of the NBA finals and was seen playing pickup basketball in the park the same day.

The biggest issue is runners can just completely dark, they don't have to answer media questions, they don't have to disclose status (like injured reserve). There is no transparency. It is a joke.

And until she decides to become transparent, I have to assume the worst based on the clues provided- doping violation.

banned until the 28th wrote:

You don't know much about how testing works, do you...?
Anyway, it looks like she was never injured and lied about it to get out of Worlds.

hmm m wrote:

Her boyfriend was photographing the event and she was out there on a trip with him. If I had to construct a scenario around what we know, it sounds like it was a last minute decision to run just because she was there and it seemed fun, and that she thought running under a fake name would avoid publicity and the "official-ness" of having the result attached to her name. Seems just generally poorly thought out

Bad for the Sport wrote:

Sad. Our sport continues to suffer.

As I see it only 2 options - she lied about the injury or ducked worlds for the Adderall. both bad

hmm m wrote:

Her boyfriend was photographing the event and she was out there on a trip with him. If I had to construct a scenario around what we know, it sounds like it was a last minute decision to run just because she was there and it seemed fun, and that she thought running under a fake name would avoid publicity and the "official-ness" of having the result attached to her name. Seems just generally poorly thought out