Most of the rest of the world rarely runs the mile. But sticking with the mile, that's 3.33 seconds slower than El G. Plus 5 seconds for the super shoes, so he's 8.33 seconds slower than EL G. Converting back to metric, 3:26.0 + 8.33 seconds would be 3:34.33 for 1500 meters.
Refutation #1 OG Champ at 21. When did El G win his first gold again? at 30. And then his body broke down from the chemical compounds.
Crazy how Jakob ran 3:31 when he was 17 before the shoes but now that hes 21 and the defending Olympic champ he can only manage 3:34 shape. Such a promising talent, its a shame that he fizzled out.
HEG still has seven races with faster times than Ingrebristen but El Guerrouj ran those between the ages of 23 to 27 years. El Guerrouj put in the work and pushed the pace every time to deserve the title of GOAT. Ingrebristen has his work cut out for him but he is still young, races a lot and when he does he, too, pushes the pace for an honest race. What an exciting time for the sport as all eyes are on Ingrebristen the next few years to see if he can share some of the greatness of HEG.
Jakob crushes the mile. 3:46.46. Fastest mile since Webb?
Hoare, wow...3:47.48! Oceania record & big PB.
Truly amazing if you ask me. FINALLY Hoare races in his sponsors spikes and comes home with a massive PB. He'll be in the medal hunt in Oregon if he gets his tactics right this time around. At this point, Jakob is unbeatable and if he doubles it'll be impressive.
Yes I am very happy for Oliver too. Great result for a great runner.
For those born the past 30 years or so, it’s common knowledge that ElGuerrouj was most likely hitting the EPO pretty hard during his world record runs. Same with Ngeny, Komen, etc. All just about the time Miguel Indurain was doing his 510 W for an hour on the bike.
There was an IAAF proposal at one point to expunge all world records set prior to the year 2000 when EPO and another advanced testing came into existence. Probably would’ve been a real good idea. EPO>PEBA shoes.
Mile is harder than 1500 in this era…why do you ask? For whatever reason it seems like it has become difficult to secure a pacemaker than can go 1200 meters. So the mile which has a greater mental challenge being 109m longer also often has 150-200m more running without a pacer and dealing with wind resistance to boot. It’s not a huge thing but to me it’s why indoors there have been some faster miles with still conditions. I’d say the conversion to me feels like 17 and a couple of tenths.
Jakob crushes the mile. 3:46.46. Fastest mile since Webb?
Hoare, wow...3:47.48! Oceania record & big PB.
Truly amazing if you ask me. FINALLY Hoare races in his sponsors spikes and comes home with a massive PB. He'll be in the medal hunt in Oregon if he gets his tactics right this time around. At this point, Jakob is unbeatable and if he doubles it'll be impressive.
If Jakob wins the 1500 and makes it to the WC 5000 final, it will be impressive. If he collects a bronze or silver in the 5, it will be remarkable. If he does the double, it will be one of the greatest achievements in distance running history, given the stacked field of 5/10 monsters. Sheer fantasy to think he's capable of that this year.
So, I just watched Cram's 3:46 record back in the day. No track lights, no super shoes, (was a pace setter) at the end of 3 laps he is looking left and right and appears as fresh as a daisy and looks incredible on last lap. I am not sure if they did EPO back then.
No, not fresh as a daisy. Cram was hurting big time, he just doesn't show it like others. He dug deep in that race, not fresh as a daisy.
Cram wasn't hurting big time. When he hurt big time he would shake his head from side to side and back to front, as when he is surpassed and gapped by Coe in the 1984 Olympics. Cram said prior to that race that he thought he could go 3:44-45, and since then he's said that he left a lot in the tank that day. They didn't follow the pacers closely, and the pacers ran 1:53.3 for the first half. But it was just 2:53 at the bell, as compared to 2:49 in Jakob's race, and Cram strided through in 53 for the close. If he'd gotten to the bell in an even 2:49 like Jakob, 3:44-45 was certainly in the cards.
Mile is harder than 1500 in this era…why do you ask? For whatever reason it seems like it has become difficult to secure a pacemaker than can go 1200 meters. So the mile which has a greater mental challenge being 109m longer also often has 150-200m more running without a pacer and dealing with wind resistance to boot. It’s not a huge thing but to me it’s why indoors there have been some faster miles with still conditions. I’d say the conversion to me feels like 17 and a couple of tenths.
ive always thought 17 seconds. morcelli and el G are pretty good proof of this.
I give Jakob an excellent chance at the double. He is in superb form and will be even better next month. Kipsang has raced himself out of it--or at least so it looks right now. Too many races in too many places. Jakob showed himself capable of sinking anyone even in a quick race in the 5000m last year when he ran 12:48. 1500m guys have had excellent luck in championship 5000m races, ranging from Aouita in 1984 (skipped the 1500m, took 5000m gold) to Niyangabo, El Guerrouj in 2004, and Lagat in 2007. Their only chance would be with a slow race and a 51 second close. Neither Jakob, nor Tim will allow the 1500m to be slow enough for the kickers to figure too highly. But of course this is all health permitting.
Mile is harder than 1500 in this era…why do you ask? For whatever reason it seems like it has become difficult to secure a pacemaker than can go 1200 meters. So the mile which has a greater mental challenge being 109m longer also often has 150-200m more running without a pacer and dealing with wind resistance to boot. It’s not a huge thing but to me it’s why indoors there have been some faster miles with still conditions. I’d say the conversion to me feels like 17 and a couple of tenths.
At least 17-18 secs. A mile isn't a continuation of a 1500, it's a longer race. No one who has run to their limit in the shorter race has anything left for the next 110m, or anything like the pace they finished the 1500.
I give Jakob an excellent chance at the double. He is in superb form and will be even better next month. Kipsang has raced himself out of it--or at least so it looks right now. Too many races in too many places. Jakob showed himself capable of sinking anyone even in a quick race in the 5000m last year when he ran 12:48. 1500m guys have had excellent luck in championship 5000m races, ranging from Aouita in 1984 (skipped the 1500m, took 5000m gold) to Niyangabo, El Guerrouj in 2004, and Lagat in 2007. Their only chance would be with a slow race and a 51 second close. Neither Jakob, nor Tim will allow the 1500m to be slow enough for the kickers to figure too highly. But of course this is all health permitting.
Jakob will win the 1500 in a cakewalk. Easy money for him. The 5000 will be a beast. Maybe the best field in the event’s history will be assembled in Eugene? Ten or more men under 12:50, the world record holder, multiple global medal winners. All of them with a reasonable shot at winning. Jakob will more than have his hands full and if he pulls off this double, it will be an epic achievement.
Jakob will win the 1500 in a cakewalk. Easy money for him. The 5000 will be a beast. Maybe the best field in the event’s history will be assembled in Eugene? Ten or more men under 12:50, the world record holder, multiple global medal winners. All of them with a reasonable shot at winning. Jakob will more than have his hands full and if he pulls off this double, it will be an epic achievement.
I give Jakob an excellent chance at the double. He is in superb form and will be even better next month. Kipsang has raced himself out of it--or at least so it looks right now. Too many races in too many places. Jakob showed himself capable of sinking anyone even in a quick race in the 5000m last year when he ran 12:48. 1500m guys have had excellent luck in championship 5000m races, ranging from Aouita in 1984 (skipped the 1500m, took 5000m gold) to Niyangabo, El Guerrouj in 2004, and Lagat in 2007. Their only chance would be with a slow race and a 51 second close. Neither Jakob, nor Tim will allow the 1500m to be slow enough for the kickers to figure too highly. But of course this is all health permitting.
I don’t think Kipsang is actually in much trouble at all. He raced a lot but he’ll rest to Kenyan nationals and then to Worlds. But tactically I’d favor Jakob, and fitness-wise edge to Jakob as well. Kipsang drifts and loses focus at times. Him vs Hoare/Kerr is the more apt Q. Tim is the big variable because when healthy he was better than Jakob’s current level. But if he’s scared to go hard at the start or kick at the finish he’s not going to beat Jakob as a tentative runner.
The 5,000 is the harder part of the double though. You say they need a 51-second close? I think a 53-54 close beats Jakob with a 13-low last 100. Kimeli just did 13.1 in a 12:46 race. Edris’ final 100 is amazing and has dispatched Mo/Barega. Cheptegei has shown he can time his finishes to perfection. Ahmed is not to be underestimated. Bekele showed me something today with how smoothly he turned back everyone. Jakob beating Gebrhiwet who was 4 days removed from not making the Ethiopian 10,000 team doesn’t mean to me he can necessarily hold off/outkick the best East Africans when they will be fresher than him. He could but they will be better and being a 1500m runner doesn’t mean you are always the fastest finisher.
I don’t think Kipsang is actually in much trouble at all. He raced a lot but he’ll rest to Kenyan nationals and then to Worlds. But tactically I’d favor Jakob, and fitness-wise edge to Jakob as well. Kipsang drifts and loses focus at times. Him vs Hoare/Kerr is the more apt Q. Tim is the big variable because when healthy he was better than Jakob’s current level. But if he’s scared to go hard at the start or kick at the finish he’s not going to beat Jakob as a tentative runner.
The 5,000 is the harder part of the double though. You say they need a 51-second close? I think a 53-54 close beats Jakob with a 13-low last 100. Kimeli just did 13.1 in a 12:46 race. Edris’ final 100 is amazing and has dispatched Mo/Barega. Cheptegei has shown he can time his finishes to perfection. Ahmed is not to be underestimated. Bekele showed me something today with how smoothly he turned back everyone. Jakob beating Gebrhiwet who was 4 days removed from not making the Ethiopian 10,000 team doesn’t mean to me he can necessarily hold off/outkick the best East Africans when they will be fresher than him. He could but they will be better and being a 1500m runner doesn’t mean you are always the fastest finisher.
You give such a detailed analysis and mine is so superficial, but the conclusions are the same. Jakob is going to win the 1500, easily. The 5000, wow, I’ll take the field against Jakob, but I’m rooting for him to pull it off.
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