According to the Supplemental Appendix to underlying NEJM letter, the vast majority of guns deaths for 1-19 year olds are black victims, and the vast majority of the 2020 increase are black victims as well. This is at the same time that several media companies (e.g., NYT, CNN, NBC) were encouraging black people to arm themselves for self-defense purposes against the police and other alleged white racists.
The NEJM article doesn't break down the statistics by age -- i.e., and e.g., there is no breakdown for 5-6 year olds versus 18-19 year olds, who are considered adult in the US. That is an odd omission as the data clearly exists. In fact, the whole category 1-19 is an odd grouping, and seems designed to suggest higher numbers of child victims, when the likelihood is that most were adults (18-19).
The timing of the article with the Uvalde tragedy is likely an attempt to pretend that increasing gun deaths for children is because of random school shootings, but those numbers are a very small percentage (probably 1%) of the totals. But the racial statistics show this is what it has always been -- gang violence in black neighborhoods. Many gun regulations have been specifically aimed at that problem, but none seem to have had much effect. Furthermore, society doesn't seem to care. Liberals try to ignore statistics on gang violence in black neighborhoods because it contradicts other exaggerated causes of theirs, and many conservatives don't mind when one gang member (presumptive criminal) shoots another.
“This is at the same time that several media companies (e.g., NYT, CNN, NBC) were encouraging black people to arm themselves for self-defense purposes against the police and other alleged white racists.”
why insert a totally false sentence? you could have made a decent point.
It's not false.
New York Times (sorry about paywall, but title is "I’m a Black American. I Need a Gun to Feel Safe in This Country.:)
More NYT - "Go by a gun; arm yourself." "All black people pretty much, we need guns to protect ourselves." "I think that's the mentality that every Africa-American should have, given the history and the current climate."
What does it take for Black Americans to feel safe right now?For some, it’s owning a gun. Even if that’s not something they may have ever wanted to do. In th...
Deborah Roberts grew up in a family of gun owners. But it wasn't until March this year that the 68-year-old finally pulled the trigger and purchased her own firearm.
More CNN - end of article, referring to "racial tone" in US: "Our community saw that and they're like, 'You know what, I'm a get a gun because I see these folks, and these folks truly do not like me.'"
Robin Armstrong is just one of many Americans either buying a gun for the first time or adding to what they already own, leading to a surge in US gun sales that started last year and is continuing strong in 2021.
CBS - "For Black and Latino gun owners, being armed 'evens the playing field'" " "Black Americans need to defend themselves —'that they can't rely on the White government to really protect them, or the police force.'"
How do guns make the country better for you and everyone else compared to a country like New Zealand that barely has guns and has way lower gun crime/shootings?
How can guns make the country better if guns have become the number one cause of death among 1-19 year olds?
How is it better? Because we are free to own guns. That’s better to me. maybe you should move to NZ. And since we are using examples, Hitler and Stalin also outlawed guns. So does North Korea.
Maybe the 2nd amendment should only apply to guns manufactured before say 1787 and anything modern should be subject to regulation. I mean haven't historians described machine guns as weapons of mass destruction of the ww1 era?
Maybe the 2nd amendment should only apply to guns manufactured before say 1787 and anything modern should be subject to regulation. I mean haven't historians described machine guns as weapons of mass destruction of the ww1 era?
How about this? You post stupid stupid comments online and everyone else can own a gun if they want to. That’s what is going to happen. Suck it.
Maybe the 2nd amendment should only apply to guns manufactured before say 1787 and anything modern should be subject to regulation. I mean haven't historians described machine guns as weapons of mass destruction of the ww1 era?
How about this? You post stupid stupid comments online and everyone else can own a gun if they want to. That’s what is going to happen. Suck it.
Your rhetoric is very mature. Clearly you are capable of nuance.
YES we should be able to bare arms..........BUT we don't need no damn machine gun. And back in 1776 they had single shot muskets.
We have to stop the insanity, we cannot allow Joe Public to be able to defend the Alamo single handed vs that Mexican army. Nobody needs to own a weapon that deadly and we all know this. Get rid of these killers nobody needs them.
Yeah, but you voted for Trump. You voted for this insanity. You're part of the problem.
Yeah, but you voted for Trump. You voted for this insanity. You're part of the problem.
If I had any say in this only home owners and those who have $$ could own an AR15 weapon, yep people of substance. Bums and thugs, career crooks, can't hold a job.....nope!
All about the individuals involved. But nobody qualifies before 25.
The clown at your 8 year old birthday party has a job. Does he get to own an AR-15? Instead of a clown at the party there should have been an Exorcist.
Maybe the 2nd amendment should only apply to guns manufactured before say 1787 and anything modern should be subject to regulation. I mean haven't historians described machine guns as weapons of mass destruction of the ww1 era?
Very weak argument. Maybe we should only allow cars from when they were first invented to prevent speeding.
Maybe the 2nd amendment should only apply to guns manufactured before say 1787 and anything modern should be subject to regulation. I mean haven't historians described machine guns as weapons of mass destruction of the ww1 era?
Very weak argument. Maybe we should only allow cars from when they were first invented to prevent speeding.
Driving is subject to many regulations. There are many cars that are not street legal.
Driving is subject to many regulations. There are many cars that are not street legal.
You missed the point. You can’t just draw an arbitrary date and say “you can’t own anything invented after this date”
yes you can. In fact the Supreme Court arbitrarily ruled in 2008 that you there is an individual right to bear arms and invented a class of weapons (so-called common use)
You missed the point. You can’t just draw an arbitrary date and say “you can’t own anything invented after this date”
yes you can. In fact the Supreme Court arbitrarily ruled in 2008 that you there is an individual right to bear arms and invented a class of weapons (so-called common use)
You mean the Supreme Court affirmed what was pretty much already known?
For starters, there would be no gun violence if there were no guns. Sort of obvious. However, there's not currently a path to removing and outlawing all of them, so there will always be gun violence. The focus should be on mitigation, and there are so many reasonable restrictions that could prevent so many different bad things from happening. Murder, suicide, terrorism can all be reduced while protecting the second amendment.
For starters, there would be no gun violence if there were no guns. Sort of obvious. However, there's not currently a path to removing and outlawing all of them, so there will always be gun violence. The focus should be on mitigation, and there are so many reasonable restrictions that could prevent so many different bad things from happening. Murder, suicide, terrorism can all be reduced while protecting the second amendment.
There is no such thing as compromise and pragmatism for right wingers. These are the people that blamed doors for the mass murder of 19 kids after all. That NRA blood money sure is sweet!
Have other developed countries seen a similarly nasty rise in mass shootings and kids being slaughtered? Many of them had lockdowns that would make the American right die of rage
The parts of America where the bulk of these gun deaths occur is not “developed”.
By not “developed”, you mean places like Chicago, Baltimore, etc.? The places where most of these incidents occur already have strict gun laws. 6 of the 61 active shooter incidents in 2021 occurred in California.
Driving is subject to many regulations. There are many cars that are not street legal.
You missed the point. You can’t just draw an arbitrary date and say “you can’t own anything invented after this date”
Interestingly, since driving motor vehicles is not addressed in the constitution, that is something that ends up being regulated by the states. Basically, if you want to improve service at the DMV, you'll need to call a constitutional convention.
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