I should clarify, I think his eventual medal potential is in the 1500
Definitely not, no, please just stop it. He's not a 1500 guy, he's not an 800/1500 guy. 4:12 is a great time for an 18-year-old but come on, he's 20 seconds off what the top guys run at that age and being "speedy" over 200 doesn't mean anything when you're not even on the home stretch by the time the race is over.
He has great speed for an 800 specialist and is way better at the 400 than the 1500, the 600 is probably his sweet spot now and he is more of a Donavan Brazier than Clayton Murphy archetype. Nothing wrong with getting in some 1500/mile races to work on tactics and endurance, but his eventual medal chances are in the 800 and anyone who thinks they are in the 1500 is completely clueless.
There are no 18 year olds in the US running 3:52 miles
To your posting name, it's because he stayed back a grade based on his age group running. How old he is for the grade I don't know ~ did he turn 19 yet or will that be in June/July?
There is a comment on page one of this thread stating that he’ll turn 19 in November, which has 19 upvotes and 0 downvotes. I can’t say for sure that it’s factual, but I’ve seen absolutely no reason to doubt it. That of course would make him a completely normal age for a HS SR.
He is listed as age 19 on his world athletics page. Maybe that's wrong, but it seems more authoritative than a random post.
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I do know for a fact, and it has been stated on lets run multiple times, the "world Athletics" age is simply what age he will be on January 1 of 2023. It has Will listed as 20 and Cade at 19.
There is a comment on page one of this thread stating that he’ll turn 19 in November, which has 19 upvotes and 0 downvotes. I can’t say for sure that it’s factual, but I’ve seen absolutely no reason to doubt it. That of course would make him a completely normal age for a HS SR.
Well I know that is false. How do I know that? He was 14 on Aug. 3, 2017 (at at least a few days before when the competition started) Thus he would be at least 19 this August. This also would align that despite being two grades below Brandon Miller, they were separated by just 1 year in age-based competition: https://www.marshallcountydaily.com/2017/08/03/cade-flatt-wins-silver-at-aau-junior-olympic-games/
Look I don't want to read too much into Flatt's posts on the matter, but the level of defensiveness (I'm 18!) indicates to me that he turns 19 early. If his birthday was in November, instead of leaving some stuff out, he'd just as easily say "haters with this age stuff, I turn 19 in November." It's not a huge deal but he's definitely a little on the old side. Same for Natalie Cook, btw. And Noah Lyles.
I do know for a fact, and it has been stated on lets run multiple times, the "world Athletics" age is simply what age he will be on January 1 of 2023. It has Will listed as 20 and Cade at 19.
Correct. Sumner is even older than Flatt. In general, it seems U18 or U20 records are probably worth focusing on over high school status, which feels somewhat arbitrary considering how many kids are graduating at age 19, and then how many freshman/sophomore immediately run really fast at the NCAA level nowadays. It is less tidy. It is exciting how fast these two guys are this year either way. Domestically in the NCAA, outside of Brandon Miller, there isn't a ton with Jonathan Jones and Zahafi representing different countries.
Flatt v. Sumner would be the best prep matchup of 2022.
Throw Plant from Ohio in there as well. He ran sub 1:50 last year after missing indoor with an injury. This season he has been focusing on the 1600 to this point but will likely look to the 800 postseason. He has run 1:51 after a sub 4:10 so far this outdoor season.
I am not suggesting he is quite in the Flatt/Sumner neighborhood, but he may be, and he really likes to bury the 3rd 200 which would make things interesting and could really set up a great time or three for this matchup.
I understand. I think it's just the people out there that want to find any reason to make someone look bad to make themselves feel better. Regardless, both Flatt and Sumner are not over-age. If they were they couldn't compete on high school teams. The fact is they are two really fast kids and some people are always going to hate on success.
I understand. I think it's just the people out there that want to find any reason to make someone look bad to make themselves feel better. Regardless, both Flatt and Sumner are not over-age. If they were they couldn't compete on high school teams. The fact is they are two really fast kids and some people are always going to hate on success.
Yeah, they are old for high school seniors but not ludicrously old or something. 19-year-olds or soon-to-be 19-year-olds have always been part of high school sports. It's more common in basketball or football typically. If you turn 20 in high school, yes that might be going too far.
thanks! just like his 47.07, completely running alone. 46.89 is #5 right now in the nation, get him in a race with the other 4 guys faster than him and see what time he drops
So a 11.14, 220.01, 46.89…..what was his relay split? Whats next for him?
thanks! just like his 47.07, completely running alone. 46.89 is #5 right now in the nation, get him in a race with the other 4 guys faster than him and see what time he drops
So a 11.14, 220.01, 46.89…..what was his relay split? Whats next for him?
His 46.89 does not even make him top ten where are you looking
Compare that 100m to Clayton Murphy 11.83 in high school. His 400/800 speed ratio is better than speed demon Mark Everett. (or his 800 is heading to 1:45 very soon). This kid may have the best basic speed of any male U.S. 800m runner ever.
This kid is good, but your statement "This kid may have the best basic speed of any male U.S. 800m runner ever" is way off. I had similar 100/200 times at his age and I never broke 1:47. Looking at his 400m time I am surprised his 100/200 times are so slow. I didn't think it was possible to run a 46x 400 and not be able to break 11 seconds in the 100. I suspect he mainly runs the 400/800 and probably has not run a serious 100/200 is a while.
Compare that 100m to Clayton Murphy 11.83 in high school. His 400/800 speed ratio is better than speed demon Mark Everett. (or his 800 is heading to 1:45 very soon). This kid may have the best basic speed of any male U.S. 800m runner ever.
This kid is good, but your statement "This kid may have the best basic speed of any male U.S. 800m runner ever" is way off. I had similar 100/200 times at his age and I never broke 1:47. Looking at his 400m time I am surprised his 100/200 times are so slow. I didn't think it was possible to run a 46x 400 and not be able to break 11 seconds in the 100. I suspect he mainly runs the 400/800 and probably has not run a serious 100/200 is a while.
We all bow in the general direction of your "similar times" lol.
This kid is good, but your statement "This kid may have the best basic speed of any male U.S. 800m runner ever" is way off. I had similar 100/200 times at his age and I never broke 1:47. Looking at his 400m time I am surprised his 100/200 times are so slow. I didn't think it was possible to run a 46x 400 and not be able to break 11 seconds in the 100. I suspect he mainly runs the 400/800 and probably has not run a serious 100/200 is a while.
We all bow in the general direction of your "similar times" lol.
Definitely not, no, please just stop it. He's not a 1500 guy, he's not an 800/1500 guy. 4:12 is a great time for an 18-year-old but come on, he's 20 seconds off what the top guys run at that age and being "speedy" over 200 doesn't mean anything when you're not even on the home stretch by the time the race is over.
He has great speed for an 800 specialist and is way better at the 400 than the 1500, the 600 is probably his sweet spot now and he is more of a Donavan Brazier than Clayton Murphy archetype. Nothing wrong with getting in some 1500/mile races to work on tactics and endurance, but his eventual medal chances are in the 800 and anyone who thinks they are in the 1500 is completely clueless.
There are no 18 year olds in the US running 3:52 miles
His best time is 4:12.97 for 1600 which converts to 4:14.4 for the mile so I’m not sure where 3:52 mile comes from, but I understand that math (and literacy) that normal people take for granted can be difficult for people like you.
I said what “the top guys run at that age” not “what the top 18-year-olds in the US are running now,” although there are clearly a handful in the US who could run 15 if not 20 seconds faster than that today, so you’re clearly oblivious to the point I was making as well as the nuances of grammatical tense. Furthermore, we have had 18-year-old Americans run faster than and right around 3:54.4 for the mile and internationally the top 18-year-olds (or younger) do run that fast or faster (1500m conversion of course), and nowhere did I suggest a limitation of my statement to Americans (in fact an intelligent reader would normally assume generality unless it was indicated otherwise). Jakob ran a 3:52 mile and even faster 1500m conversion at 17 and other top 18-year-olds have certainly run 3:54 mile-equivalent times.
