Gonna be a difficult transition for him, he will need to get used to training by himself, unless someone else on the team really steps up. He will be losing his training partner Will Skelly
Freshman Keegan Smith runs 8:52.96 3200
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Ollld timer wrote:
I agree wrote:
Yeah, I don’t know what this “old” business is. I’m an October birthday and my kids have September & October. Perfectly normal. Guess you could say they are not the “young” kids just as easily.
Typically a grade consists of kids born as soon as August of one year and as late as July of the next.
So if he turned 15 his freshman year in September… that is normal.
It wasn’t normal when I was in school in NY long ago (70s-80s). If your birthday was in Sept, you were turning 15 at start of 10th grade. I think it went by calendar year back then. Probably varies by region and cut off dates probably change over the years also.
General rule is you start K when you are 5. Whatever year you are 5 on Sept 1 (or whenever school starts), thats when you start K. My parents put me in K when I was 4 (4.5 to be precise) and I was always the youngest in my class. Often by far unless there was another kid who skipped a grade or something. One of my classmates did skip 3rd (and got in my class) and we were about the same age and (then) both way younger than our other classmates.
As for Keegan, he may or may not be older than average but he has been an *age group* star his whole life. People can gripe when he gets to 12th grade maybe..but not now.
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coach d. wrote:
The lists are not accurate, eg, as a freshman, Hulst ran 9:04 and as a sophomore, Virgin ran 8:57.
The list of course are limited to what results are in Milesplit’s database, it is useful but limited. My sense is that it really only has almost everything for the last 10 or 15 years. Before that results are very spotty.
It would be cool is USATF or someone gave some grants to digitize old track and XC results.
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I saw Keegan won the 1600 at state this year, but ran close to 10:00 in the 3200. Does anyone know what happened?
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Man. that list of all time top freshman 3200 runners is depressing. Those guys went nowhere.
As for Keegan Smith, September 1st is in the Illinois cutoff. So there's no question about his age, at least in my state. Sure he's on the older end of the cutoff, somebody has to be, but he wasn't held back.
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Manbearpig15 wrote:
Lovelace wrote:
There was an 8th grader than ran 1:56 in that race that Keegan went 1:54. His name is Owen Clemons and he will break all of my school records. He also ran 4:27 for the full mile. Wait until Tinman gets ahold of him!
Saw this kid at RunningLane. People in the stands were commenting that kid looks like a grown man already.
There’s actually an interview video of him.
A lot of high school seniors are as tall as him.
The fact that he ran a 4:27 as a middle schooler really proves that a 4:20 is not that fast for a HS mile. It’s just not that fast.
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JohnR wrote:
Man. that list of all time top freshman 3200 runners is depressing. Those guys went nowhere.
As for Keegan Smith, September 1st is in the Illinois cutoff. So there's no question about his age, at least in my state. Sure he's on the older end of the cutoff, somebody has to be, but he wasn't held back.
Colin Sahlman has a September 2003 birthday, same as Keegan. Sahlman turns 19 in 2 months. Meanwhile, German Fernandez, has a September birthday on the young side and didn’t turn 18 until the September after high school.
This would make Keegan about a year older than the youngest seniors and 6 months older than average age ones.
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anyone know what's up with Smith? Seemingly didn't compete in XC last fall and haven't heard any news of him in a while.
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ragingclue wrote:
anyone know what's up with Smith? Seemingly didn't compete in XC last fall and haven't heard any news of him in a while.
????? Dude, did you even look at the results for TN HS XC last fall???
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ragingclue wrote:
anyone know what's up with Smith? Seemingly didn't compete in XC last fall and haven't heard any news of him in a while.
He got whipped in the state meet is what’s up. Not sure what you’re talking about.
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Then why did he just win Gatorade Player of the Year for TN in cross country?
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It’s pretty fast, but a 15-16 year old 8th grader training like a HS upperclassman shouldn’t be counted.
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Ohreally10 wrote:
Then why did he just win Gatorade Player of the Year for TN in cross country?
How does that change what I wrote?
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Manbearpig15 wrote:
Lovelace wrote:
There was an 8th grader than ran 1:56 in that race that Keegan went 1:54. His name is Owen Clemons and he will break all of my school records. He also ran 4:27 for the full mile. Wait until Tinman gets ahold of him!
Saw this kid at RunningLane. People in the stands were commenting that kid looks like a grown man already.
Puberty will do that.
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Generic handle wrote:
Ohreally10 wrote:
Then why did he just win Gatorade Player of the Year for TN in cross country?
How does that change what I wrote?
Because usually someone who was “whipped” in the state meet does not win the highest xc honor in the entire state?
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If he turned 15 at the beginning of his freshman year, his upside is limited. I was 13 when I entered 9th grade. Turned 14 end of October. No wonder I got beat so bad by age cheats.
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Darth Wind And Fire wrote:
If he turned 15 at the beginning of his freshman year, his upside is limited. I was 13 when I entered 9th grade. Turned 14 end of October. No wonder I got beat so bad by age cheats.
No, your parents just didn’t want to pay for pre-school/ daycare another year so enrolled you in Kindergarten early when you were 4. Which is smart, but they should’ve held you back at some point so you weren’t the youngest one and had a better chance of succeeding in sports and potentially getting a scholarship.
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