Thanks a lot Newbury Park for screwing up what could’ve been an epic 3200m for everybody at Arcadia. Going out the first 200m in 28 sec? What on earth were they thinking?
None of Newbury’s top four phenoms ran faster last night than they did back in February.
30 runners under 9:07! 23 runners broke 9!! 10th place was 8:52!!!
Seems pretty epic to me. Maybe, just maybe, the size of the field dictated them going out fast!
Ok we will refer to you as “Keyboard Worrier” from now on.
Noting wrong with going after records and announcing it. It’s great for the sport. Unlike you who criticize people who break records
Call me whatever you want, I'm not the idiot that doesn't know it's called a keyboard warrior.
Nothing wrong with going after records and announcing it, IF YOU'RE THE ONE ACTUALLY DOING IT!
No criticism at all of the kids, their cool and well done YouTube channel or their swagger. These kids have enough pressure on them and if they choose to pile more on, that should be up to them. A coach should protect them, help deflect pressure and remove outside distractions, not become part of the problem.
Call me whatever you want, I'm not the idiot that doesn't know it's called a keyboard warrior.
Nothing wrong with going after records and announcing it, IF YOU'RE THE ONE ACTUALLY DOING IT!
No criticism at all of the kids, their cool and well done YouTube channel or their swagger. These kids have enough pressure on them and if they choose to pile more on, that should be up to them. A coach should protect them, help deflect pressure and remove outside distractions, not become part of the problem.
Answering the questions about goals and training is great for them and everyone who is asking. Obviously people want to know or they would not ask.
Their 5th runner would have the state 3200 record in probably half the states in the union. Just let that sink in. Are they still running the Penn Relays 4XMile??
Answering the questions about goals and training is great for them and everyone who is asking. Obviously people want to know or they would not ask.
Nice try on creating something about nothing.
Are you too obtuse to understand you can answer questions in different ways?
Here we go again. A thread about Newbury Park. Think about the name of this thread "Newbury Park Screws the pooch" think about this title. It's actually pathetic to insinuate Newbury Park did anything but amazing.
Grow up to everyone who can't handle others success. Kids, coaches and fans love to hear what Newbury Park is doing, what they run and how fast they want to run. If you don't then don't listen.
NP had 6 (6!!!) runners at 9:02 or faster (with 2 right at 8:35). I think that is an absolutely unbelievable performance. 99% of high schools don't have even 1 runner that can run 9:20.
NP had 6 (6!!!) runners at 9:02 or faster (with 2 right at 8:35). I think that is an absolutely unbelievable performance. 99% of high schools don't have even 1 runner that can run 9:20.
How can anyone criticize this performance?
I think everyone agrees with you. It was amazing. However, when compared with expectations it was an off day. if Kipchoge runs 2:04 when attempting a world record, it’s still phenomenal relative to others, but compared with expectations, it would be disappointing.
They are high school kids running some of the fastest times in American high school history. Screwed the pooch? I'm sick of all these losers projecting their own feelings of inadequacy onto others. I really think the Skip Baylesses and Stephen A. Smiths of the world have done nothing but poor negativity into sports analysis and then every day morons, like the person who started this post, follow suit.
I actually think you’re completely right. However, you can also put blame on their coach. Without the bold predictions, the expectations wouldn’t be the same. While they are amazing kids and running unbelievable times, they did fall dramatically short of the predicted times that were publicly stated. When they predict 7 breaking 9:00, 4 breaking 8:30, at least one breaking the national record and none of those things happened, it’s fair to say it was a failure. Only 2 of those 7 ran faster (relative with converted 3k times) than they did earlier in the year, they had only 4 break 9:00, none broke 8:30 and no record. Those are all significant accomplishments, but not when compared with the expectations they publicly stated for themselves.
I will confess I don't follow them at all, and don't really watch HS sports closely in general. Didn't when I was in HS with either. I ran and was decent, but never attended a HS track meet even to watch. So, that's my level of familiarity with this, but the thread topic looked contentious and I figured it would bring out pro- and con-sayers, so to speak.
I really have to agree with Wrong-O. It is an interesting topic and thread, but his post is the first that really hit home for me. I mean, these guys are pretty good whether or not they are clean, and I could give them the benefit of the doubt (there is doubt). So I can see why they get a fair amount of praise from outside their own camp - and a lot from within.
The thing that makes the whole deal a little distasteful is the constant bragging and self-promotion. I notice it just browsing this site a few times a week. I guess that's fine if what you're trying to do is get on the front page of LRC, T&FN, and that site that's about HS running. That, in turn, could lead to Nike's attention and their checkbook opening wide. That is the point, right? What they're trying to accomplish?
But there is another way to go about it. No YT channel. No Twitter account, Facebook, no social media of any sort. The coach, parents and the guys themselves don't start threads here nor weigh in once they're here. You could go even further. Don't wear the school uniform when at non-CIF (or whatever the State-run federation is called) events when you're really competing unattached. Then you're just a guy at Runninglane. Maybe you win, but NP school isn't the first thing mentioned.
Now, that last - intentionally avoiding attention being drawn to the school - may be a step too far for many kids. (My peers and running buddies in HS had a complete lack of school spirit, so I was competing sans team colors regularly. That's why I thought of ditching the uni.) The point is, the more time and effort you, your coaches, parents, younger teammates who aren't in the spotlight- whoever- spend getting our attention and claiming you're going to do great things, the more negative talk will come.
If you're unhappy this thread about you exists, remember: It would have been very easy to avoid. You brought the positive and negative attention on yourself.
I actually think you’re completely right. However, you can also put blame on their coach. Without the bold predictions, the expectations wouldn’t be the same. While they are amazing kids and running unbelievable times, they did fall dramatically short of the predicted times that were publicly stated. When they predict 7 breaking 9:00, 4 breaking 8:30, at least one breaking the national record and none of those things happened, it’s fair to say it was a failure. Only 2 of those 7 ran faster (relative with converted 3k times) than they did earlier in the year, they had only 4 break 9:00, none broke 8:30 and no record. Those are all significant accomplishments, but not when compared with the expectations they publicly stated for themselves.
I will confess I don't follow them at all, and don't really watch HS sports closely in general. Didn't when I was in HS with either. I ran and was decent, but never attended a HS track meet even to watch. So, that's my level of familiarity with this, but the thread topic looked contentious and I figured it would bring out pro- and con-sayers, so to speak.
I really have to agree with Wrong-O. It is an interesting topic and thread, but his post is the first that really hit home for me. I mean, these guys are pretty good whether or not they are clean, and I could give them the benefit of the doubt (there is doubt). So I can see why they get a fair amount of praise from outside their own camp - and a lot from within.
The thing that makes the whole deal a little distasteful is the constant bragging and self-promotion. I notice it just browsing this site a few times a week. I guess that's fine if what you're trying to do is get on the front page of LRC, T&FN, and that site that's about HS running. That, in turn, could lead to Nike's attention and their checkbook opening wide. That is the point, right? What they're trying to accomplish?
But there is another way to go about it. No YT channel. No Twitter account, Facebook, no social media of any sort. The coach, parents and the guys themselves don't start threads here nor weigh in once they're here. You could go even further. Don't wear the school uniform when at non-CIF (or whatever the State-run federation is called) events when you're really competing unattached. Then you're just a guy at Runninglane. Maybe you win, but NP school isn't the first thing mentioned.
Now, that last - intentionally avoiding attention being drawn to the school - may be a step too far for many kids. (My peers and running buddies in HS had a complete lack of school spirit, so I was competing sans team colors regularly. That's why I thought of ditching the uni.) The point is, the more time and effort you, your coaches, parents, younger teammates who aren't in the spotlight- whoever- spend getting our attention and claiming you're going to do great things, the more negative talk will come.
If you're unhappy this thread about you exists, remember: It would have been very easy to avoid. You brought the positive and negative attention on yourself.
You sound like such a loser. No social media and dont wear your jersey in non-CIF meets? Wtf.
And that last sentence is just absurd. This thread could be avoided if anonymous trolls on the internet would stop hating on 16/17 year olds.
Just when I think letsrun cant get any worse, an idiot says a group of teenagers deserve to get online hate because they have social media and wear their jersey outside the state meet. Impressive.
Man…everyone engaging in fights/debates/name calling etc, need to recognize that none of this matters. I don’t know much, but the ego can hurt us.
As far as NPHS goes, they are amazing. the coach is amazing. The parents are amazing. In order for these results to happen, a lot of stuff has to go right. Especially when it is week in, week out.
Please remember, everyone is allowed to get sick…..we can’t control every single race. It would have been cool to see the 4 boys all under 8:38 and number 5 at :52.
NP had 6 (6!!!) runners at 9:02 or faster (with 2 right at 8:35). I think that is an absolutely unbelievable performance. 99% of high schools don't have even 1 runner that can run 9:20.
How can anyone criticize this performance?
The but, but, but crowd can and will criticize any performance.
Like I’ve posted before, here on Letsrun if you do well you’re a “burrito” eater and if you perform bad you go home devistated. There is no in between.
Thanks a lot Newbury Park for screwing up what could’ve been an epic 3200m for everybody at Arcadia. Going out the first 200m in 28 sec? What on earth were they thinking?
None of Newbury’s top four phenoms ran faster last night than they did back in February.
They opened with a 29 sec 200m, not 28 sec, (see video below). Many will argue that your opening 50m should be quite quick, so 1-2 sec faster than even pace for the opening 200m is reasonable. This means that 30-32 seconds would be a completely reasonable opening 200m. So they missed that range by a whopping one second! Give me a break. At their pace, we are talking 32 sec per 200m for an even race. So they ran 3 seconds faster on the opening 200m than a perfectly even paced race. Most highschool runners positive split way worse than this. It only seems so pronounced because they are so much faster than everyone else.
Thanks a lot Newbury Park for screwing up what could’ve been an epic 3200m for everybody at Arcadia. Going out the first 200m in 28 sec? What on earth were they thinking?
None of Newbury’s top four phenoms ran faster last night than they did back in February.
Lex ran faster.
No he didn’t. Lex’s 7:57 3k two months ago is better.
It's not Newbury Park's fault that the meet director jams these fields so full.
Nothing to do with it. They could have very easily gone out at a relaxed reasonable pace and patiently moved to the front. They ran the race like freshmen and sprinted to the front from the gun. Not how you run a fast 3200m
These remarks are absurd. Since when is it a team's or an individual's responsibility to start a race at a "reasonable pace" ??? It's a freakin race!! "Not how you run a fast 3200" ??? I'd say 2 High School guys at 8:35 might be considered "fast". SMH
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