That 13:06 is most likely a 12:48-12:50 in a perfect weather time trial run by BTC guys.
He's going to give Chep, Jakob, Ahmed, and Fisher problems.
Cooper is a great talent and WILL run sub 13:00 this season. How low? depends on the race. If runs Pre he'll go pretty low, I think sub 12:50 if the conditions are good. He will definitely make the WC 5000 squad if he runs. The 5000m WC trials will be won in the 13:05-13:10 range.
Also, I love reading all these posts by wannabe elite runners that throw around times as if they even have a F^^king clue. Even better, is how these idiots predict who's gonna medal or not and how fast they need to run.
One problem I see with the americans is that they can run with the best of them, but they can't do it back-to-back in a championship setting. Probably because they almost never enter competitions.
One problem I see with the americans is that they can run with the best of them, but they can't do it back-to-back in a championship setting. Probably because they almost never enter competitions.
Lack of consistent racing.
Too many set up races.
Too precious of their "reputation"
Really? I feel like Americans perform better in championships than in set up races/time trials. Rupp got a silver in the 10k with 12:58/26:48 PBs, and a marathon bronze with 60:30/2:11 PRs. Centro won gold with a 3:30 PR against a 3:26 guy, and he didn't run diamond league races that often. Chelimo got a silver in the 5k coming in with a 13:19 PB from the prelims, then got bronze in 2021 with a 12:57 to his name (just behind two guys with 12:35 and 12:47 PRs). Hocker pulled out 6th last year as a 20 year old coming in with a 3:35 PR, you can't ask for much more than that.
Maybe it's aimed at BTC? But the best BTC runners have a history of performing well in championship races. Recently, of course, there's Fisher finishing 5th, Ahmed getting silver (2021) and bronze (2019). There's also gold, silver (Coburn, Frierichs) and bronze (Jager) in 2017, and another silver from Jager in 2016.
What US athletes CAN run with the best of them but can't do it in a championship setting? The only American guys I can think of that have even won a diamond league race are Ben True and Hillary Bor. I feel obligated to say that True's win came in a 13:2x race, the slowest in DL history. Neither of them did great in championship races, but I think most Americans who can run with the best perform well at championships.
Yes it's a myth to say Americans underperform in middle distance or distance races at Championships. In truth, most that have been through the NCAA system perform better in the rounds than their seed times would predict.
The only real underperformance I'd point out is when our very stringent qualifying system can rule out someone on one off race. Think Kate Grace last year, who just had a bad US Final but would've performed better than Wilson. Or Josette Norris choosing the wrong event to run.
That 13:06 is most likely a 12:48-12:50 in a perfect weather time trial run by BTC guys.
He's going to give Chep, Jakob, Ahmed, and Fisher problems.
Cooper is a great talent and WILL run sub 13:00 this season. How low? depends on the race. If runs Pre he'll go pretty low, I think sub 12:50 if the conditions are good. He will definitely make the WC 5000 squad if he runs. The 5000m WC trials will be won in the 13:05-13:10 range.
Also, I love reading all these posts by wannabe elite runners that throw around times as if they even have a F^^king clue. Even better, is how these idiots predict who's gonna medal or not and how fast they need to run.
Respect the Sport!
NEXT!
Agreed. It’s a bit like calling for “sub 12:50” for a 13:06 guy, I’d say.
I think it is very unlikely he will do a top 5 at the WC this year. Whether he chooses to run the 1500 or the 5k.
I think the main plan for this year will be the WC final.
On the 5k he has a progression very similar to Jimmy Gressier just with a 1 year delay. And last year Gressier said his goal laid out by his coach and the French federation was just an Olympic final. If he achieved it, he could say mission accomplished.
I think sub-12:50 this year is asking for a lot, but I do think it’s well-within the realm of possibility and hope my view is proven to be conservative
Even after bob kennedy ran 12:58 no one considered him a threat
Serious? Kennedy was a 3:38/3:56 runner. Teare is a 3:33*/3:50 runner. Worlds apart.
Now that we know Teare should be able to go under 13 with ease, runners will also be aware of his closing speed as well which is world class. He will be a dangerous man.
The best you can say right now is that Cooper Teare, a 3:50 miler indoors, is in about as good 1500m shape as any of the top 5000m runners other than Jakob.
Even if his 13:06 was worth a 12:48, which it certainly is not, he wouldn't be a global threat.
We have to shift our perspective on times, for two reasons: the general level is higher and the shoes help a lot.
There are 3-5 guys who will be in 12:3x shape for the World Championship 5k (Cheptegei, Kiplimo, Jakob, Barega, and potentially one of the other Ethiopians). That's the fitness it will take to win a medal. There are 3-5 guys who will be in 12:4x-to 12:55 shape for the US Championship 5k (Chelimo, Woody, Fisher, and any number of the other Bowerman guys if they get back to form). That's the fitness it will take to make a team.
Can Teare break 13 this year? For sure. Can he make a U.S. team? Maybe. Will he get blasted at Worlds if he does? For sure.
I'm not bashing him, either. Give him a couple years and he might be in the conversation. Look at how far Grant Fisher has come.
Elite times have not improved since the shoes arrived. So no adjustments to make.
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