I also want to point out that BTC doesn't race a lot of DL races even during non covid years. I remembered Frerichs skipping the DL finals in 2019 to prepare for Worlds.
Cross out "BTC and replace it with "American based distance athletes."
In 2021 - only 18 US/Canadians (both genders) in events 800 and up, scored DL points. The lionshare of these points were at Prefontaine. The only athletes to compete at 3 or more meets were Josette Norris, Kate Grace, Marco Arop, and Hillary Bor. 2/4 didn't make Tokyo and were able to center their post Trials seasons around DL performance. Bor skipped the DL final. Of the other 14 athletes, 5 were BTC athletes.
The fact is, the Diamond League schedule is extremely European centric. Americans have a brutal battle at trials to make teams, and it makes no sense for them to fly trans-Atlantic to race a DL before trials, and post worlds or Olympics a lot of athletes are burnt out and shut down their seasons.
This year will be the same; Pre is May 27th (Eugene) and US Champs June 23-25th (Eugene) 4 Diamond Leagues and 5 WA Gold Level Meets. It makes absolutely zero sense for any US athlete fly to Europe and then back again immediately with spots on the line. Stockholm is the 30th of June, so between US trials and Worlds, so makes no sense for US to do that either unless you missed the team. So that's 4 DLs that are pointless for Stateside athletes, plus the two random ones in China that no one wants to go to, that's 6 pointless DLs from a US point of view.
So say you're a W5000m runner; well unfortunately for you Pre 2022 doesn't have a DL scoring 5000m for women. Post worlds, neither do Monaco or Brussels. So if you want to make Zurich, you have to hope that you absolutely crush Lausanne's 3000m because realistically that's your only logistically feasible shot to qualify.
As it stands, it's a dumb system.
I think you're right, and I'd like to see changes in regulations to something similar to the ATP tennis circuit. Players on the ATP who are eligible have to compete at all Grand Slams and Masters level events, plus a set number of ATP500 and ATP250 events unless injured. Players buy into that as it keeps the sport healthy.
For track and field, I'd change regulations so that athletes had to compete in a specified number of DL and Gold Level meets each season, otherwise they can't go to the World Champs or Olympics. What those numbers should be would need to be determined, and it might require changing the DL calendar, but something needs to be done to get more of the stars racing more often against each other. Again, tennis hasn't suffered because Nadal and Djokovic have played each other so many times at GS and Master's events, instead, it's improved the sport.
Truth is, all current BTC members are on hypo-thyroid meds.
Thyriod meds increase mitochondria population density and efficacy.
Which means you literally don’t get tired when performing aerobic based work for prolonged periods as mitochondria are the respiration and energy power house of our cells. This is basic endurance biology and physiology 101.
Letsrun journalist / mods please ask “Coach Flanagan” about BTC’s Boston Thyroid doctor she sends everyone to for hypo-thyroid diagnosis and prescriptions.
Why the BTC mass exoduses last few years?… Athletes wanting to run clean did not appreciate the pressures from BTC Asst. “Coaches” about the necessity to get on their “Thyroid Program.”
I’m sure this post will be deleted, but remember, it took 7+ years to bring down NOP when it was very clear to those in the know that that program was running dirty.
If we are getting really real:
- Thyroid medication is not banned by WADA, and is not considered doping by WADA.
- After 7+ years of intense scrutiny by USADA, and review of all the evidence by USADA, by an AAA Panel, by a CAS Panel, and by a WADA committee, there was a lack of evidence presented of any dirty NOP program, or any NOP athlete ever doping in its entire history, unless you want to count the one assistant coach receiving a banned method of a non-banned substance. What do "those in the know" really know?
Not sure why you all say LRC is biased towards Bowerman. Anytime I come on the boards people are ruthless towards them. Even my own Rojo rips them on the podcast every week.
Also, this is not a doping thread. Please refer to my original post.
Cross out "BTC and replace it with "American based distance athletes."
In 2021 - only 18 US/Canadians (both genders) in events 800 and up, scored DL points. The lionshare of these points were at Prefontaine. The only athletes to compete at 3 or more meets were Josette Norris, Kate Grace, Marco Arop, and Hillary Bor. 2/4 didn't make Tokyo and were able to center their post Trials seasons around DL performance. Bor skipped the DL final. Of the other 14 athletes, 5 were BTC athletes.
The fact is, the Diamond League schedule is extremely European centric. Americans have a brutal battle at trials to make teams, and it makes no sense for them to fly trans-Atlantic to race a DL before trials, and post worlds or Olympics a lot of athletes are burnt out and shut down their seasons.
This year will be the same; Pre is May 27th (Eugene) and US Champs June 23-25th (Eugene) 4 Diamond Leagues and 5 WA Gold Level Meets. It makes absolutely zero sense for any US athlete fly to Europe and then back again immediately with spots on the line. Stockholm is the 30th of June, so between US trials and Worlds, so makes no sense for US to do that either unless you missed the team. So that's 4 DLs that are pointless for Stateside athletes, plus the two random ones in China that no one wants to go to, that's 6 pointless DLs from a US point of view.
So say you're a W5000m runner; well unfortunately for you Pre 2022 doesn't have a DL scoring 5000m for women. Post worlds, neither do Monaco or Brussels. So if you want to make Zurich, you have to hope that you absolutely crush Lausanne's 3000m because realistically that's your only logistically feasible shot to qualify.
As it stands, it's a dumb system.
I think you're right, and I'd like to see changes in regulations to something similar to the ATP tennis circuit. Players on the ATP who are eligible have to compete at all Grand Slams and Masters level events, plus a set number of ATP500 and ATP250 events unless injured. Players buy into that as it keeps the sport healthy.
For track and field, I'd change regulations so that athletes had to compete in a specified number of DL and Gold Level meets each season, otherwise they can't go to the World Champs or Olympics. What those numbers should be would need to be determined, and it might require changing the DL calendar, but something needs to be done to get more of the stars racing more often against each other. Again, tennis hasn't suffered because Nadal and Djokovic have played each other so many times at GS and Master's events, instead, it's improved the sport.
Regulations I say. Have to compete in a specified number of DL meets I say. Otherwise they can’t compete at the big ones I say.
High Hopes - you are a moron and self centered.
To the moronic posters out there that want athletes to be their gerbil on a wheel and race every weekend like the US high school system - you get out there and race every weekend if you want. See how your body responds to that. By the way, you don’t just sign up for DL meets - you get invited based on being the cream of the crop.
To the haters out there that slam our amazing US athletes for sharing insight into their training, racing lives and what makes them tick - go pound salt. You are envious and full of jealousy due to your inadequate life. There are resources for you - reach out to a psychiatrist before you self implode.
Last I looked, Stanford is really tough to get into and is consistently ranked near the top, as a learning institution- in the world. The athletes you rail on graduated from there with serious degrees and express themselves very well during an unscripted hour plus interview. The club you rail in BTC has graduates from top universities like Stanford, Harvard, Wisconsin etc. These athletes are amazing runners, good people, and will contribute to society in a meaningful way - far beyond what those who post lies and anger will accomplish.
BTC athletes, and all athletes who work hard to be their best, push themselves through the pain, and pull themselves back up when they are down. You are great. You are the best of the best. You are admired and loved by track fans. We cheer for you and wish you the very best. Keep up the great work that will lead you to great races, times and medals. Hold your heads high.
Don’t pay attention to the few low life trolls on this website that wallow in their miserable lives.
Saying "If anyone should be reaching out to a psychiatrist it’s you." is just being a jerk. That guy made valid points and personal insults show more about you then the person you're criticizing.
As for "There’s nothing normal about having a meltdown over random people on the internet criticizing athletes you don’t even know. Trust me when I say that no one from BTC is going to read your embarrassing tirade and feel better about themselves." Not true. Many of the BTC athletes read Letsrun and have openly said they appreciate people support them. Elise even says this to the host in the episode after he backs her up.
Saying "If anyone should be reaching out to a psychiatrist it’s you." is just being a jerk. That guy made valid points and personal insults show more about you then the person you're criticizing.
As for "There’s nothing normal about having a meltdown over random people on the internet criticizing athletes you don’t even know. Trust me when I say that no one from BTC is going to read your embarrassing tirade and feel better about themselves." Not true. Many of the BTC athletes read Letsrun and have openly said they appreciate people support them. Elise even says this to the host in the episode after he backs her up.
If you’re wondering where the psychiatrist comment came from you can find it in MI’s response to high hopes.
Feel free to rejoin the larger discussion whenever you’re done derailing your own thread.
I made the psychiatrist comment (and I meant it) directed at High Hopes who continually, on multiple threads, posts negative slanderous material against anything BTC.
Truth is, all current BTC members are on hypo-thyroid meds.
Thyriod meds increase mitochondria population density and efficacy.
Which means you literally don’t get tired when performing aerobic based work for prolonged periods as mitochondria are the respiration and energy power house of our cells. This is basic endurance biology and physiology 101.
Letsrun journalist / mods please ask “Coach Flanagan” about BTC’s Boston Thyroid doctor she sends everyone to for hypo-thyroid diagnosis and prescriptions.
Why the BTC mass exoduses last few years?… Athletes wanting to run clean did not appreciate the pressures from BTC Asst. “Coaches” about the necessity to get on their “Thyroid Program.”
I’m sure this post will be deleted, but remember, it took 7+ years to bring down NOP when it was very clear to those in the know that that program was running dirty.
If we are getting really real:
- Thyroid medication is not banned by WADA, and is not considered doping by WADA.
- After 7+ years of intense scrutiny by USADA, and review of all the evidence by USADA, by an AAA Panel, by a CAS Panel, and by a WADA committee, there was a lack of evidence presented of any dirty NOP program, or any NOP athlete ever doping in its entire history, unless you want to count the one assistant coach receiving a banned method of a non-banned substance. What do "those in the know" really know?
BTC like NOP is a thyroid-doped program. From all we are learning it seems like it is the norm for their athletes to be boosted.
Fisher bragged that he has "no TUEs", but will he answer the question of whether or not he takes thyroid medication?
Not sure how people can not be fans of Elise after listening to that podcast.
Agreed. Listening to the droning entitlement was sickening.
And like most of her team she will not criticize her doping former teammate. It seems like they may still train together!
Uhh, I meant how can you not be a fan of Elise after listening to her on that podcast. The interviewer didn't even ask about Shelby either. Again, stop bringing up doping. This thread isn't about doping.
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