Exactly. Sorry but that was a 1200m jog for these guys, followed by a 300 that demonstrated no sprint ability whatsoever. So stiff, zero relaxation, way too much backside. Off a 1200m fast jog, that time is IMO not significant.
Given that you seem determined to misunderstand, it's unlikely that I'll change your opinion, but in case there are others who have the same bizarre misunderstanding:
- No one is impressed with 23.x as a pure sprint performance. We are all aware that actual sprinters run 200m significantly faster than that.
- No one is impressed with the overall time of 3:50 for 1,500. We are all aware that elite middle-distance runners run 1,500m significantly faster than that.
- Many people *are* impressed that someone ran a 23.x 200 near the end of a 1,500 race, after coming through 1,200 in 3:14. That's the kind of feat that allows runners to place highly in slow, tactical championship 1,500 races, which sometimes happen in meets like the Olympics.
- It's true that 3:14 isn't hard for elite middle-distance runners, but it's enough to take something out of your kick. If you think it's not that hard, feel free to find an example of anyone in history who has run 200 in 23.x after 1200 in 3:14. Heck, if it's not even impressive, find us half a dozen examples.
The winner arrived at the 1200m in just under 3.14. At that level is that really a 1500m or a 300m event?
Put any 400 runner to run 3.14 and after that to run as fast as he can 300 m result will be a lit slower ( don't think 400 runner will be able to run 1300 in 3.15) so yes it's 1500 event and you need 1500 m ability to run it
You are missing the point. 3.14 is not a race pace for any elite 1500m runner. It is merely a warm up.
Exactly. Sorry but that was a 1200m jog for these guys, followed by a 300 that demonstrated no sprint ability whatsoever. So stiff, zero relaxation, way too much backside. Off a 1200m fast jog, that time is IMO not significant.
Given that you seem determined to misunderstand, it's unlikely that I'll change your opinion, but in case there are others who have the same bizarre misunderstanding:
- No one is impressed with 23.x as a pure sprint performance. We are all aware that actual sprinters run 200m significantly faster than that.
- No one is impressed with the overall time of 3:50 for 1,500. We are all aware that elite middle-distance runners run 1,500m significantly faster than that.
- Many people *are* impressed that someone ran a 23.x 200 near the end of a 1,500 race, after coming through 1,200 in 3:14. That's the kind of feat that allows runners to place highly in slow, tactical championship 1,500 races, which sometimes happen in meets like the Olympics.
- It's true that 3:14 isn't hard for elite middle-distance runners, but it's enough to take something out of your kick. If you think it's not that hard, feel free to find an example of anyone in history who has run 200 in 23.x after 1200 in 3:14. Heck, if it's not even impressive, find us half a dozen examples.
Perhaps the reason we won't find anyone else finishing in 23x that is because no elite 1500 is run as slow as 3.14. The first 3/4 were averaging a fraction under 65. It's en route to a 4.18 mile. There are 14 year old school boys who could run that.
The 23.6 is equivalent to 24x without a flying start. To do that I would expect him to be able to run a 22x. I think that any half decent md athlete could get within a couple of seconds of his top speed over 200 if he had put virtually no effort to the 1200 - which is a bunch of 65 quarters. If he had run it off the back of a succession of 60s quarters I would be impressed.
Put any 400 runner to run 3.14 and after that to run as fast as he can 300 m result will be a lit slower ( don't think 400 runner will be able to run 1300 in 3.15) so yes it's 1500 event and you need 1500 m ability to run it
You are missing the point. 3.14 is not a race pace for any elite 1500m runner. It is merely a warm up.
Did you notice two of the finishers collapsed to the ground after that "warmup", and four more were doubled over, hands on their knees so they don't fall over?
Okay so despite everyone apparently watching the race we still don't have the key splits right.
Yes he runs 23.63 from 1200-1400m and he runs 24.92 from 1300-1500m which are all displayed on the broadcast
His final 300m is 36.82 (3.13.88 at 1200m - displayed on broadcast) and final 400m is in the ballpark of 51.8 because he is 2.58.8 to the eye at 1100m which means more like 2.58.9 electronically).
So obviously this isn't a fast race or a super competitive one, but this is still pretty impressive. Farken is a 1.45.80 800m guy and he's run 1.17.58 for 600m so I would guess he's a mid 48 second 400m runner in a relay which means basic speed wise he would be right around the high 22's for a flying 200m. Irrespective of how slow the race is to drop 23.63 anytime in a 1500m is pretty awesome - I personally haven't seen that before and I have seen a lot of 1500m races in my lifetime both extremely fast and extremely tactical.
For me what's more impressive is that he closed in sub 52 still in cruise mode for the first 100m and he also shut it right down in the last 50m and still ran under 37 seconds for that final 300m. Nobody should get carried away - no he's not a threat to Jakob or Kerr etc - but add him to the list of dudes that, in the off chance a race is super slow through 1000m, could catch a few guys out - the same list Cole Hocker is on. And like Hocker, with these wheels it's not a stretch to say he's right around the top of it.
No need to try and justify why it's either incredible or it's not - take it at face value for what it is. I was impressed and I know what I'm talking about.
Considering first, that no one has ever run that fast a 200m in any stretch of any 1500m under 4 (to eliminate, say, various 800m runner workouts), second, that it was on an indoor track, which is going to be considerably slower for a 200m than outside, and third, that had he been able to do that in the Rio Olympics final, which was run in 3:50 with no 200m nearly as fast as he did 1200-1400 (albeit a final 400m in 50.6, but Farken also shut it down the last 15-20m), he might well have won gold, it is extremely impressive. You have to think that in a slow world championship race, he is as much a medal threat as anyone.
You are missing the point. 3.14 is not a race pace for any elite 1500m runner. It is merely a warm up.
Did you notice two of the finishers collapsed to the ground after that "warmup", and four more were doubled over, hands on their knees so they don't fall over?
Okay so despite everyone apparently watching the race we still don't have the key splits right.
Yes he runs 23.63 from 1200-1400m and he runs 24.92 from 1300-1500m which are all displayed on the broadcast
His final 300m is 36.82 (3.13.88 at 1200m - displayed on broadcast) and final 400m is in the ballpark of 51.8 because he is 2.58.8 to the eye at 1100m which means more like 2.58.9 electronically).
So obviously this isn't a fast race or a super competitive one, but this is still pretty impressive. Farken is a 1.45.80 800m guy and he's run 1.17.58 for 600m so I would guess he's a mid 48 second 400m runner in a relay which means basic speed wise he would be right around the high 22's for a flying 200m. Irrespective of how slow the race is to drop 23.63 anytime in a 1500m is pretty awesome - I personally haven't seen that before and I have seen a lot of 1500m races in my lifetime both extremely fast and extremely tactical.
For me what's more impressive is that he closed in sub 52 still in cruise mode for the first 100m and he also shut it right down in the last 50m and still ran under 37 seconds for that final 300m. Nobody should get carried away - no he's not a threat to Jakob or Kerr etc - but add him to the list of dudes that, in the off chance a race is super slow through 1000m, could catch a few guys out - the same list Cole Hocker is on. And like Hocker, with these wheels it's not a stretch to say he's right around the top of it.
No need to try and justify why it's either incredible or it's not - take it at face value for what it is. I was impressed and I know what I'm talking about.
How impressed are you that it is off a very pedestrian 3.14 for 1200?
Considering first, that no one has ever run that fast a 200m in any stretch of any 1500m under 4 (to eliminate, say, various 800m runner workouts), second, that it was on an indoor track, which is going to be considerably slower for a 200m than outside, and third, that had he been able to do that in the Rio Olympics final, which was run in 3:50 with no 200m nearly as fast as he did 1200-1400 (albeit a final 400m in 50.6, but Farken also shut it down the last 15-20m), he might well have won gold, it is extremely impressive. You have to think that in a slow world championship race, he is as much a medal threat as anyone.
Can you see a world championship with the likes of Jacob and Tim running through the 3/4 in 3.14? They could walk that.
Considering first, that no one has ever run that fast a 200m in any stretch of any 1500m under 4 (to eliminate, say, various 800m runner workouts), second, that it was on an indoor track, which is going to be considerably slower for a 200m than outside, and third, that had he been able to do that in the Rio Olympics final, which was run in 3:50 with no 200m nearly as fast as he did 1200-1400 (albeit a final 400m in 50.6, but Farken also shut it down the last 15-20m), he might well have won gold, it is extremely impressive. You have to think that in a slow world championship race, he is as much a medal threat as anyone.
Can you see a world championship with the likes of Jacob and Tim running through the 3/4 in 3.14? They could walk that.
I didn't think 2016 Olympics 1500m final would split 1200m, 3:12.00. Things occur. What if both men you mentioned race 3:27.xx in semi-final? I cannot believe we will never see 1200m split in Olympics or W.C. in 2:57.xx to 3:03.xx range again. Both may have egos big enough to attempt to prove they can race final 300m sub-38 after splitting 1200m, 2:57.xx to 3:03.xx. I don't believe J. Ingebrigtsen has a sub-38 in him in a 1500m race split 2:57.xx to 3:03.xx. That stated, I didn't believe John Walker had a sub-38 in him either, 1976 Olympics.
Okay so despite everyone apparently watching the race we still don't have the key splits right.
Yes he runs 23.63 from 1200-1400m and he runs 24.92 from 1300-1500m which are all displayed on the broadcast
His final 300m is 36.82 (3.13.88 at 1200m - displayed on broadcast) and final 400m is in the ballpark of 51.8 because he is 2.58.8 to the eye at 1100m which means more like 2.58.9 electronically).
So obviously this isn't a fast race or a super competitive one, but this is still pretty impressive. Farken is a 1.45.80 800m guy and he's run 1.17.58 for 600m so I would guess he's a mid 48 second 400m runner in a relay which means basic speed wise he would be right around the high 22's for a flying 200m. Irrespective of how slow the race is to drop 23.63 anytime in a 1500m is pretty awesome - I personally haven't seen that before and I have seen a lot of 1500m races in my lifetime both extremely fast and extremely tactical.
For me what's more impressive is that he closed in sub 52 still in cruise mode for the first 100m and he also shut it right down in the last 50m and still ran under 37 seconds for that final 300m. Nobody should get carried away - no he's not a threat to Jakob or Kerr etc - but add him to the list of dudes that, in the off chance a race is super slow through 1000m, could catch a few guys out - the same list Cole Hocker is on. And like Hocker, with these wheels it's not a stretch to say he's right around the top of it.
No need to try and justify why it's either incredible or it's not - take it at face value for what it is. I was impressed and I know what I'm talking about.
How impressed are you that it is off a very pedestrian 3.14 for 1200?
Very.
How many times in your life have you run 3.14 for 1200m?
How many times in your life have you run 23.6 for 200m?
How many track races of any elite level have you ever run?
I'm going to guess the answer to all of the above is none. So you don't know and conversely are in no position and have zero credibility to comment on this. And congrats you baited me to respond to you but now I get the satisfaction of blocking you knowing this will be the last "conversation" we ever have because it is irrelevant what you reply to this because I won't ever see it. You know nothing about this sport and your "opinions" on anything to do with it are utterly worthless. Worth. Less.
Did you notice two of the finishers collapsed to the ground after that "warmup", and four more were doubled over, hands on their knees so they don't fall over?
No they didn't. They didn't finish at 1200.
So -- you didn't notice runners collapsing after a slow 1500m, and now you are suggesting they collapsed "before" the warmup?
How impressed are you that it is off a very pedestrian 3.14 for 1200?
Very.
How many times in your life have you run 3.14 for 1200m?
How many times in your life have you run 23.6 for 200m?
How many track races of any elite level have you ever run?
I'm going to guess the answer to all of the above is none. So you don't know and conversely are in no position and have zero credibility to comment on this. And congrats you baited me to respond to you but now I get the satisfaction of blocking you knowing this will be the last "conversation" we ever have because it is irrelevant what you reply to this because I won't ever see it. You know nothing about this sport and your "opinions" on anything to do with it are utterly worthless. Worth. Less.
Armstrong is one of the worst Posters on this board , you hardly ever will have a helpful "conversation" with him.Farken's performance to me is extremely impressive.
Blond bombshell from the former east Germany region of the country. I am guessing that he would now be worth around 47 to 49 seconds for 400 m. What is impressed with this runner is his form which looks really good.