rando from filly wrote:
AP5000 wrote:
I was obviously joking you moron.
No it's not obvious you were joking, moron. People post crap like this all day long. How hot a woman is comes up in 90% of threads where a woman is mentioned. It's not funny anymore and it's probably the reason there are hardly any women on these forums.
I'm sure you are the real life of they party. You must be super fun to hang out with.
AP5000 wrote:
No Cococino fanboy wrote:
I can give you an answer to this. There are 3 parts to this.
1. Jim is mentally not a strong runner. He grew up with that mentality that pacers pull you thru rough patches. You don't have pacers in Europe.
2. Jim does not know how to fuel and take care of himself. He needs to learn to eat enough and wear enough clothes to get thru the full race.
3. That's a really interesting one. All his European Competitors have real jobs, they just run for fun, which takes a lot of stress away from racing. Jim on the other hand, has everything on the line in every race.
I think it's great that Jim gets to see and run in Europe for a longer period of time. More runners or non runners should do that.
1. He won WSER 3 times in a row with course records twice in the baking heat. You have to be an absolute clown to think he's not mentally tough. Pacer or pacer you still have to get to the finish in a hundo, which you obviously have never done.
2. See above. You don't WSER back-to-back-back without knowing how to fuel. He didn't initially, but learned.
3. Francois D'haene and Kilian Jornet don't have "real" jobs, so no, they don't all have jobs.
1. I have done a bunch of 100s and won 4 of them (very small races but a win is a win)
2.WS100 is a lot shorter in time than UMTB, it seems like the fun starts after 17 hours. Anton Krupicka had the same kind of problems.
3. Kilian is the only real pro I am aware of. Francois D'Haene has a winery if I remember that right.
No Cococino fanboy wrote:
AP5000 wrote:
1. He won WSER 3 times in a row with course records twice in the baking heat. You have to be an absolute clown to think he's not mentally tough. Pacer or pacer you still have to get to the finish in a hundo, which you obviously have never done.
2. See above. You don't WSER back-to-back-back without knowing how to fuel. He didn't initially, but learned.
3. Francois D'haene and Kilian Jornet don't have "real" jobs, so no, they don't all have jobs.
1. I have done a bunch of 100s and won 4 of them (very small races but a win is a win)
2.WS100 is a lot shorter in time than UMTB, it seems like the fun starts after 17 hours. Anton Krupicka had the same kind of problems.
3. Kilian is the only real pro I am aware of. Francois D'Haene has a winery if I remember that right.
Not sure what kind of side business D'Haene has, but he's compensated enough to just run. There are also very, very few American ultra runners who get paid enough (legitimately) to only run. I don't know if I can name a guy other than Walmsley. Doesn't Courtney Dauwalter not teach anymore? Maybe Camille Herron. That's all I can think of.
AP5000 wrote:
No Cococino fanboy wrote:
I can give you an answer to this. There are 3 parts to this.
1. Jim is mentally not a strong runner. He grew up with that mentality that pacers pull you thru rough patches. You don't have pacers in Europe.
2. Jim does not know how to fuel and take care of himself. He needs to learn to eat enough and wear enough clothes to get thru the full race.
3. That's a really interesting one. All his European Competitors have real jobs, they just run for fun, which takes a lot of stress away from racing. Jim on the other hand, has everything on the line in every race.
I think it's great that Jim gets to see and run in Europe for a longer period of time. More runners or non runners should do that.
1. He won WSER 3 times in a row with course records twice in the baking heat. You have to be an absolute clown to think he's not mentally tough. Pacer or pacer you still have to get to the finish in a hundo, which you obviously have never done.
2. See above. You don't WSER back-to-back-back without knowing how to fuel. He didn't initially, but learned.
3. Francois D'haene and Kilian Jornet don't have "real" jobs, so no, they don't all have jobs.
Scott Jurek won WSER 7 times in a row but could never crack UTMB. Ability to win WSER means zilch when it comes to UTMB and vice versa (the Euro guys don't seem to fair well in the heat there).
Pretty sure Sage doesnt have a 'job' unless you consider his coaching thing one. Also pretty sure Rob Krar quit his pharmacist career awhile back and even though injuries have kept him from racing much I havent heard he went back. Probably there are others as well.
good for him wrote:
AP5000 wrote:
1. He won WSER 3 times in a row with course records twice in the baking heat. You have to be an absolute clown to think he's not mentally tough. Pacer or pacer you still have to get to the finish in a hundo, which you obviously have never done.
2. See above. You don't WSER back-to-back-back without knowing how to fuel. He didn't initially, but learned.
3. Francois D'haene and Kilian Jornet don't have "real" jobs, so no, they don't all have jobs.
Scott Jurek won WSER 7 times in a row but could never crack UTMB. Ability to win WSER means zilch when it comes to UTMB and vice versa (the Euro guys don't seem to fair well in the heat there).
It's a completely different kind of race. No one is debating that. But the skills and experience you get certainly transfer to some extent. Extreme endurance is still extreme endurance. Jurek is also significantly slower and less talented than Walmsley. I have zero doubt he'll put the pieces together and win it, no different that he did for WSER after his first couple disasters.
good for him wrote:
Scott Jurek won WSER 7 times in a row but could never crack UTMB. Ability to win WSER means zilch when it comes to UTMB and vice versa (the Euro guys don't seem to fair well in the heat there).
Scott Jurek's prime was over before UTMB got big.
But he won Spartathlon three times, which is the biggest long road ultra you can win.
And yes, UTMB and WS100 can't be compared two totally different races just the distance is almost similar.
good for him wrote:
Pretty sure Sage doesnt have a 'job' unless you consider his coaching thing one. Also pretty sure Rob Krar quit his pharmacist career awhile back and even though injuries have kept him from racing much I havent heard he went back. Probably there are others as well.
Sage has a bunch of jobs...coaching, YouTube videos, etc. Rob Krar? He's not a competitive guy anymore. Even Anton tried that and did okay this summer but those guys are long gone compared to the elites of today.
Yeah, he doesnt have as much natural speed thats for sure. But he absolutely dominated the ultra scene during his time at various types of racers, road, trail, even track ultras. So its a bit ridiculous to discount him. Its a different time and while Walmsley has a ton of talent but its UTMB and not sure if you've looked at the elite mens list but its going to be competitive to say the least. Dont get me, I'm not counting him out.
AP5000 wrote:
good for him wrote:
Pretty sure Sage doesnt have a 'job' unless you consider his coaching thing one. Also pretty sure Rob Krar quit his pharmacist career awhile back and even though injuries have kept him from racing much I havent heard he went back. Probably there are others as well.
Sage has a bunch of jobs...coaching, YouTube videos, etc. Rob Krar? He's not a competitive guy anymore. Even Anton tried that and did okay this summer but those guys are long gone compared to the elites of today.
Rob Krar destroyed Leadville 100 before the pandemic hit. And even he still, he said he quit his job, I wasn't talking about whether he was still considered one of the top elites currently.
good for him wrote:
Yeah, he doesnt have as much natural speed thats for sure. But he absolutely dominated the ultra scene during his time at various types of racers, road, trail, even track ultras. So its a bit ridiculous to discount him. Its a different time and while Walmsley has a ton of talent but its UTMB and not sure if you've looked at the elite mens list but its going to be competitive to say the least. Dont get me, I'm not counting him out.
I meant that in the context of elites who are sponsored enough to not work any other job without scraping by. I'm saying it's the same for Europe and America. There's no discernable difference - only the best 3 or so guys in their cohort are truly professional runners.
No Cococino fanboy wrote:
good for him wrote:
Scott Jurek won WSER 7 times in a row but could never crack UTMB. Ability to win WSER means zilch when it comes to UTMB and vice versa (the Euro guys don't seem to fair well in the heat there).
Scott Jurek's prime was over before UTMB got big.
But he won Spartathlon three times, which is the biggest long road ultra you can win.
And yes, UTMB and WS100 can't be compared two totally different races just the distance is almost similar.
My point was just that Scott, he dominated that race as well as many others, with a lot of versatility and obviously great at really long races failed miserably at his UTMB attempts. So my point is just that he has unique aspects that have traditionally made it difficult race to figure out, particularly for American men. This may be the smartest move Walmsley could have made if he wants to win UTMB. Most of the guys who do well there seem to spend a lot of time on the course and around that area for a good portion of their training.
AP5000 wrote:
good for him wrote:
Yeah, he doesnt have as much natural speed thats for sure. But he absolutely dominated the ultra scene during his time at various types of racers, road, trail, even track ultras. So its a bit ridiculous to discount him. Its a different time and while Walmsley has a ton of talent but its UTMB and not sure if you've looked at the elite mens list but its going to be competitive to say the least. Dont get me, I'm not counting him out.
I meant that in the context of elites who are sponsored enough to not work any other job without scraping by.
Right and apparently Krar is still sponsored enough that he hasn't gone back to his career was my point.
good for him wrote:
No Cococino fanboy wrote:
Scott Jurek's prime was over before UTMB got big.
But he won Spartathlon three times, which is the biggest long road ultra you can win.
And yes, UTMB and WS100 can't be compared two totally different races just the distance is almost similar.
My point was just that Scott, he dominated that race as well as many others, with a lot of versatility and obviously great at really long races failed miserably at his UTMB attempts. So my point is just that he has unique aspects that have traditionally made it difficult race to figure out, particularly for American men. This may be the smartest move Walmsley could have made if he wants to win UTMB. Most of the guys who do well there seem to spend a lot of time on the course and around that area for a good portion of their training.
It's a very fair point. I think just the fact that he's so "all in" that he's going to move there to specifically train for that shows what a professional he is and how serious he's taking it. I'm convinced he'll get that it done. Then maybe he'll focus on the Comrades record.
good for him wrote:
AP5000 wrote:
I meant that in the context of elites who are sponsored enough to not work any other job without scraping by.
Right and apparently Krar is still sponsored enough that he hasn't gone back to his career was my point.
He may be. So it's Walmsley and him and I'm not sure of Anton's story. But other than that I don't know who else doesn't need to work. The next tier down works - guys like Tollefson's level who has won a lot of races and podiumed at UTMB.
I think he's lucky Francois and Kilian are not running though Pau and Xavier might be even harder to beat. He definitely as a shot the podium with this move but IDK I still think its tough to bet against those other 2. But anything can happen and thats whats great about ultras.
As far as the sponsorship thing, I agree with what your saying, its not a huge difference with US vs Euro runners and sponsorship but at least pre-pandemic it was definitely becoming a thing for US ultra runners trying to make a career out of running. Even Sage everything he is doing is still related to running, whether or not sponsorship is the only thing supporting him. IDK if its the influencer thing is more of a US thing or its the entrepreneurial spirit of Americans or what.
good for him wrote:
I think he's lucky Francois and Kilian are not running though Pau and Xavier might be even harder to beat. He definitely as a shot the podium with this move but IDK I still think its tough to bet against those other 2. But anything can happen and thats whats great about ultras.
As far as the sponsorship thing, I agree with what your saying, its not a huge difference with US vs Euro runners and sponsorship but at least pre-pandemic it was definitely becoming a thing for US ultra runners trying to make a career out of running. Even Sage everything he is doing is still related to running, whether or not sponsorship is the only thing supporting him. IDK if its the influencer thing is more of a US thing or its the entrepreneurial spirit of Americans or what.
Walmsley addressed this in his interview.
Believe or not, even an elite guy like Walmsley feels stressed out about his livelihood, with each contract renewal could possibly be the end of his main income stream. Obviously it's not super likely to happen to a top performer like Jim but he realizes that unless he becomes a true worldwide GOAT in the sport, and banks a ton of $$$$, he may be looking at a second career.
He specifically says that at his current performance levels (which are only going to decline due to age), he can't squeeze out 20-30 more years of income. He also points out that there is so much more room at the elite level in ultrarunning. It's only a matter of time until we see more runners coming out of China, India, Latin America, etc.
So I think it's a great move for Walmsley to try to tackle UTMB, bank as much $$$ as he can while he still has the time, and eventually step back doing YouTube vids, coaching, or running an ice cream/smoothie shop.
People forget Walmsley has already figured out UTMB placing 4th or 5th just a couple of years ago. He knows how to train, fuel, race, everything. Some of you just don’t follow the sport. Why don’t you crap on Kilian’a multiple DNF or DNS’s?
cnej wrote:
People forget Walmsley has already figured out UTMB placing 4th or 5th just a couple of years ago. He knows how to train, fuel, race, everything. Some of you just don’t follow the sport. Why don’t you crap on Kilian’a multiple DNF or DNS’s?
Walmsley also has DNFs.
But he doesn't have any UTMB wins...
Yeah not many people have UTMB wins. It’s a pretty new race. He’s done great and you know it. Any of us would take 5th at UTMB as a crowning achievement. It’s like saying Francois sucks because he got chicked at Western.