Yes, smart runners run to win. Thomas Pollard ran as fast as 8:50 and as slow as 10:20 one season in HS. That's 1:30 difference.
Yes, smart runners run to win. Thomas Pollard ran as fast as 8:50 and as slow as 10:20 one season in HS. That's 1:30 difference.
everyone's dad wrote:
Yes, smart runners run to win. Thomas Pollard ran as fast as 8:50 and as slow as 10:20 one season in HS. That's 1:30 difference.
That's even more ridiculous and good runners don't run just to win in a dual meet. I had meets where the fastest guy on the other team couldn't break 11:00 and there was no way I was going to run a 10:50 for the win. The 8:50 guy would have been far better off skipping the meet and running an intervals workout instead. Distance running is a conditioning sport and it takes more dedication than just jogging during dual meets.
Really? He was one of the top runners in the country. He was All American this season on the 2nd best team in the NCAA. But of course you know more than the best D1 coaches and athletes. Do you tell your surgeon how to perform the surgery? Do you ever sit back and think about some of the things you say?
Drew Bosley also ran 8:49 and 10:16 his senior year for about 1.5 minute difference. He happens to be on the number q team in the NCAA. So one example is on the best team and another example is on the 2nd best team. It is almost as if they know what they are doing as opposed to us who are merely posting on a website. At least one of us is smart enough to know that top coaches and athletes know more than posters.
everyone's dad wrote:
Really? He was one of the top runners in the country. He was All American this season on the 2nd best team in the NCAA. But of course you know more than the best D1 coaches and athletes. Do you tell your surgeon how to perform the surgery? Do you ever sit back and think about some of the things you say?
SDSU Aztec has always has bad takes on race times in this exact way.
everyone's dad wrote:
Really? He was one of the top runners in the country. He was All American this season on the 2nd best team in the NCAA. But of course you know more than the best D1 coaches and athletes. Do you tell your surgeon how to perform the surgery? Do you ever sit back and think about some of the things you say?
Salazar would have his runners do a hard interval workout after races, but an 8:50 guy is going to run a 10:20? A 9:30 would be preferable to having an extra easy day during that week. I believe the OP was referring to a HS meet and not college. Again, distance running is not a leisure sport.
Anyway, Young did not run one of his miles in 4:30 and it appears he ran all-out in both races.
Big week for Young! Sub four mile after picking a fight with Spotify and Joe Rogan!
Those were HS races. Young's coach seems to think Bosley and his HS coach knew what they were doing.
You are using Salazar as your example? He is in a bit of trouble and he didn't coach at a level where guys scored points. Yes Young ran all out but you were commenting on the tangent topic where you showed how silly your takes are. You always bring it back to your experience.
Grant Fisher is another one who ran 20 seconds slower in the mile at times in HS. He went to Stanford and then to the Olympics. I guess he should have listened to you though.
NICO-POWER wrote:
readingresponse wrote:
People aren't robots. They don't run times within a second race after race after race. They have faster and slower races depending on who else in the race, how the race plays out (tactics), training, taper or no taper, etc. Sometimes the slower times are actually better races. (Not this situation, but a high school kid might have mile times that vary by over 30 seconds race to race for example... dual meet in 4:55, invitational 4:20.)
You're 100% right. Please who post here would make terrible coaches because they do not know this.
Most of the posters here are so rigidity simple minded.
readingresponse wrote:
everyone's dad wrote:
Really? He was one of the top runners in the country. He was All American this season on the 2nd best team in the NCAA. But of course you know more than the best D1 coaches and athletes. Do you tell your surgeon how to perform the surgery? Do you ever sit back and think about some of the things you say?
SDSU Aztec has always has bad takes on race times in this exact way.
And SDSU Aztec is the prime example of the mentally unfit LetsRun poster.
gumpyrunner wrote:
Portland's Matt Strangio (Jesuit) runs his first sub-4, taking the W in the previous heat. That's 8:00/3:59 PRs on consecutive weekends.
Should probably have the full results, not just from one heat.
JBaller33 wrote:
Is Nico a 1,500/5,000 guy now? I could have sworn he was going to be a 5K/10K type.
I think we need to readjust our expectations. To be competitive even on the national level in the 1500/mile you need to run 3:
34.xx/3:51.xx. 3:56.00 is a great result for Nico because he'll need to get to sub-13:10 for the 5K on the same token. We know he has a lot of strength and now he's got the necessary speed. I still think the 10K/Roads will be his best area.
Runner10287 wrote:
readingresponse wrote:
SDSU Aztec has always has bad takes on race times in this exact way.
And SDSU Aztec is the prime example of the mentally unfit LetsRun poster.
You guys are always describing things that people don’t do and calling it a good strategy. There were box scores for dual meets when I was in HS and none of the good runners ran north of 10:00. I was a 9:30 guy and 4:40/10:00 was not difficult at all.
The the one poster believed the 8:50 guy running 35 seconds a mile slower for 2 miles is good training. That would be like a 14:00 guy running 15:45. How can that possibly make sense to you? I don’t recall runners like Salazar and Chapa cranking out 15:00s. Checkout Craig Virgin’s senior year schedule and see how many 10:20s you find. He ran his HS 2-mile at the end of the season so not forgetting he was a distance runner in dual meets did not burn him out.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen ran 35:05 in a 10k road race, the one that Kilian Jornet did in 29:59.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Runner10287 wrote:
And SDSU Aztec is the prime example of the mentally unfit LetsRun poster.
You guys are always describing things that people don’t do and calling it a good strategy. There were box scores for dual meets when I was in HS and none of the good runners ran north of 10:00. I was a 9:30 guy and 4:40/10:00 was not difficult at all.
The the one poster believed the 8:50 guy running 35 seconds a mile slower for 2 miles is good training. That would be like a 14:00 guy running 15:45. How can that possibly make sense to you? I don’t recall runners like Salazar and Chapa cranking out 15:00s. Checkout Craig Virgin’s senior year schedule and see how many 10:20s you find. He ran his HS 2-mile at the end of the season so not forgetting he was a distance runner in dual meets did not burn him out.
Cool story guy who post 50 times in every thread.
Do you even follow running? You don't know Pollard or Bosley or Fisher? Are you familiar with NAU or ISU? They did go 1-2 in the NCAA this year.
everyone's dad wrote:
Do you even follow running? You don't know Pollard or Bosley or Fisher? Are you familiar with NAU or ISU? They did go 1-2 in the NCAA this year.
Who are you guys? If you competed in track you would run 35 seconds per mile slower than your PRs in dual meets? For that week, instead of hard/easy/hard it would be hard/easy/easy/easy/hard. Maybe it wouldn’t make much difference but why would you want to run so ridiculously slow in dual meets? In Running Entertainment, there are meet by meet results for Jeff Nelson and Eric Hulst and they never jogged in any dual meets.
A poster rejected my comment regarding Salazar but it’s almost a universal opinion on LR that he would was a great coach and most posters seemed to think hard interval workouts after racing were beneficial and some even believed they contributed to Hassan’s improvement under Salazar. Now that he’s banned for issues unrelated to workouts, it turns out he was incompetent across the board?
Can you provide results for a single race where one of the top guys at Oregon, Stanford or NAU ran a 15:00?
What are you even trying to argue? High school duel meet times?
Bisley runs for NAU and Pollard runs for ISU.
Fisher won the NCAA 5k in 14:35. Darn that is slow. He should have run 13:20 I guess. You JV guys just don't get it. Do you want to take Centro's gold medal away? I watched Cheserek walk in a DMR at Penn Relays. It happens less often in college due to the competition but it happens frequently in HS when you are a national class runner competing for points at a conference meet.
NICO-POWER wrote:
JBaller33 wrote:
Is Nico a 1,500/5,000 guy now? I could have sworn he was going to be a 5K/10K type.
He's a 10k guy. wow just wait until he steps to the line in that 10k
Ya he's definitely a 5k/10k guy but might finally be getting some speed so that he can WIN big races instead of just being in the lead pack for a long time. Similar to Rupp being a 5k/10k guy who ran 3:50 for indoor mile in 2013. If Nico was running around 13:20 last year for outdoor 5k maybe he'll be a 13:10 guy this year, and a sub 27:30 10k guy if he runs a fast paced 10k.