Sub-9 guy wrote:
Sub-9 guy wrote:
Thank you. You’re right. Of course I am cynical. US born, non-doped. But, then again, the shoes are doping, so…
Just can’t believe Lagat’s 3:26. Also, to the guy not wanting to get carried away about conversions, Webb never broke 3:30 but went sub-3:47 for the mile.
isn't that splitting hairs? IAAF tables that 3:46.91 at/around 3:30.22. Webb ran 3:30.54.
Who is the guy in the Iowa shirt?
431 Joe wrote:
i'd lay off the 'converts to'. How many guys have run an actual mile as fast as their 1500m 'converted to'? Mile to mile everything else looks solid.
That's a fair remark. Not that many do it, which is why no one's run 3:46 since 2007 while many have run sub 3:30 (and as discussed previously, during most of those years there were numerous high level miles available from Eugene to Norwich and Oslo). Still, few Americans ever run low 3:34, so he is a great, great prospect.
SwimmingwithChickens wrote:
Sub-9 guy wrote:
Just can’t believe Lagat’s 3:26. Also, to the guy not wanting to get carried away about conversions, Webb never broke 3:30 but went sub-3:47 for the mile.
isn't that splitting hairs? IAAF tables that 3:46.91 at/around 3:30.22. Webb ran 3:30.54.
Of course. Conversions always are. Just pointing out to the skeptics that Hessler’s 3:34 conversion to 3:51 is legit…
Sub-9 guy wrote:
SwimmingwithChickens wrote:
isn't that splitting hairs? IAAF tables that 3:46.91 at/around 3:30.22. Webb ran 3:30.54.
Of course. Conversions always are. Just pointing out to the skeptics that Hessler’s 3:34 conversion to 3:51 is legit…
Cool, mate. I see yer point.
Lagats 3:27.4 is the most fraudulent "American" Record of all time. Dude competed for Kenya 2 weeks after the 3:27 in the Olympics and finished 2nd to El G. Why the hell is this considered the American Record? Especially since he would still have the record anyway, albeit a 3:29.
putty wrote:
Yank this buddy
Post of the Day !!!
Apustajan wrote:
why do you yanks always go on and on about mediocre talent. please give us some peace
There is nothing mediocre here. (1) Hobbs is an extraordinary talent (fastest 1,500 meter runner ever of hundreds of millions of US boys), and (2) your post indicates extraordinarily sub-mediocre reasoning. Please stop with your stupidity and your anti-peaceful whining. You need to elevate your thinking to rise to mediocrity.
Oh, poo! wrote:
Apustajan wrote:
why do you yanks always go on and on about mediocre talent. please give us some peace
There is nothing mediocre here. (1) Hobbs is an extraordinary talent (fastest 1,500 meter runner ever of hundreds of millions of US boys), and (2) your post indicates extraordinarily sub-mediocre reasoning. Please stop with your stupidity and your anti-peaceful whining. You need to elevate your thinking to rise to mediocrity.
For a nation that weirdly obsesses over the mile we sure do suck at it.
Is this guy in school? What if he gets injured? He seems to be some what of a "Primadonna" and not racing a whole lot yet? Bring it on.... You didn't see Jacob dragging his ass around some indoor oval - Let's see it Mr. Big Time!!!
Hobbs, Willis, mason all 7:59
Yup 7:59 and it was almost exactly what an earlier comment predicted. 4:23 through 1600m (slow!), then two more 200s in like 33 so 5:29 at 2K, and the last 1K in exactly 2:30. I didn't see it but I bet it was easy AF for Hobbs & Ferlic. Hobbs could probably run close to 7:45 right now.
Def a pre planned tempo workout for that group. Kessler does look good in workouts . They said only two indoor meets for the season , does this count ? I wouldnt think so . Not sure
Anyway, 353 at Millrose in top 3
meaningless display wrote:
Do people still think that "The Michigan" is a hard workout or actually gets anyone in shape?
Good for fine-tuning and a confidence boost (because it's so light), but the rests are just so long for mile-pace running.
You are correct!
UM invite wrote:
Yup 7:59 and it was almost exactly what an earlier comment predicted. 4:23 through 1600m (slow!), then two more 200s in like 33 so 5:29 at 2K, and the last 1K in exactly 2:30. I didn't see it but I bet it was easy AF for Hobbs & Ferlic. Hobbs could probably run close to 7:45 right now.
Also roughly what Warhurst said, at about 5:55 in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1N8FqeTqIc&t=355sHe said go out in 4:20, finish up in 2:30, finish 3000 under 8 minutes.
putty wrote:
Yank this buddy
Okay, I LOLed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2K7sV-K74&ab_channel=Kristo007elvid33 wrote:
If you want to be pedantic about it then, yeah, sure, whatever. The kid is a superstar young runner with top-notch coaching. He's not out the pretending by being a workout hero (and I'm sure he doesn't care if anyone else thinks this is a good workout or not).
Shirley the recovery is appropriate.
431 Joe wrote:
zxcvzxcv wrote:
They weren't doing the Michigan workout.
Kessler looked totally in control. He ran 3:34 at 18, faster than Alan Webb's American high school record (3:38.26, I think) by four seconds, a second faster than 3:29.05 guy Josh Kerr's old NCAA record and faster even than the new NCAA record. That is a legitimately great prospect right there, world elite quality for 18. Alan Webb ran 3:53.43 mile in high school and went on to run 3:46.91, a time that has not been equaled since he ran it in 2007. Kessler's 3:34 converts to 3:51; he is in shape and has another seven months of training under his belt, Millrose has been won in that range a few times recently (from 2016 to 2019, winners ran 3:48 (Kejelcha), 3:50 (Centro), and 3:53 and 3:54), and he is surely in equivalent shape to the Oregon guys indoors last year who ran 3:50 (Cooper Teare and Cole Hocker).
i'd lay off the 'converts to'. How many guys have run an actual mile as fast as their 1500m 'converted to'? Mile to mile everything else looks solid.
How many people have run more miles than 1500s?
Doesn’t look like he’s in monster shape based on this. Look at Willis and Felic having a good time while Hobbs is straining for that sub 8 3k.
This was definitely a pre-planned workout type performance. The top 4 kids from Newbury Park could have executed the exact same thing today. Fact remains this was light work for Hobbs. Next week at Millrose, anything over 3:51 would be disappointing.