lolyer lawyer wrote:
I would rather see what she can do at 400 than bother with 1500. Does she even like running longer distances? People seem to discount what people are actually interested in doing.
Seriously, why run longer when you can win at a shorter distance? This is like all the talk back in the day about whether or not Bolt could become 400 m champion. He must have laughed out loud if anybody suggested he try once his career got going.
What makes your argument so silly is according to one website she only has one American record in the 800m
I thought she had the 600 but seemingly not.... regardless why doesn't she get a 400m record. A 1K record, 500m Record a 300 M record, a 600m overall record...
The 1500m would be number five or six on the depth charts. supposedly she can do that so easily yet she can't get records that are in her wheelhouse...
Better thread title... a thing mu could set records easily but can not be bothered!
She's never going to take the 1500m seriously for the next six or seven years. Her focus is going to be on winning gold and setting world records at the 800 and the distance is closest to it
The only answer to this thread will come from how good she does at the few 1 K's she runs seriously. But who knows if she'll even run the 1K. Probably mostly 4 6 + 8..... probably won't know for like eight years
Whonose wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Highly doubtful.
World class 400m runner and #1 in the world in 800m.
Nobody with those credentials has ever been a top miler.
Closes to it was Juantorena. I cannot locate the data but I think he ran around a 3:40 1500m near the end of his career.
Apparently you never heard of Caster Semenya.
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While history and statistics is on your side, there are rarities. I don't know if A thing Mu could run the American record but I am convinced she could eventually run sub 4 minutes for 1500m.
Remember this is the athlete who ran sub 5 minutes mile indoors her sophomore year in high school. Then went on to almost win the triple at the AAU meet in the 400, 800, and 1500m at age 15 yrs old. Despite her seemingly World Class speed she is doing it off her endurance.
HOW MANY Sophomore high school girls can claim a sub 5 minute mile indoors? ATHING MU can and she wasn't training for it!!!!!
I agree. She just needs a coach that wouldn't over train her. She could be the best 1500 meter. With her speed from the beginning. (In the words of Gebreselassie) she would "take their legs from under them in the early laps of the race"
What’s so hard to understand about “if she trained for the 1500 she’d be very good at it”? She obviously doesn’t need to train for it because she’s to fast and athletic. She doesn’t have to. The only way she would ever start training for the 1500 was if she started losing the shorter races.
For a woman to run 1:55.05 or faster 800, and 3:54.99 1500m is almost unheard of.
Kazankina is the only one.
Whonose wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Highly doubtful.
World class 400m runner and #1 in the world in 800m.
Nobody with those credentials has ever been a top miler.
Closes to it was Juantorena. I cannot locate the data but I think he ran around a 3:40 1500m near the end of his career.
Apparently you never heard of Caster Semenya.
Semenya is not a world class 400m runner. Nor miler for that matter. Based on her best times.
Nor is she without male hormones.
If she had to compete as a male, she would be mediocre.
Otherwise great point
carmine9 wrote:
Whonose wrote:
Apparently you never heard of Caster Semenya.
Semenya is not a world class 400m runner. Nor miler for that matter. Based on her best times.
Nor is she without male hormones.
If she had to compete as a male, she would be mediocre.
Otherwise great point
You are as ignorant about track as you are about the pandemic. Athing Mu has run 49.57 and Caster Semenya 49.62 and yet you think Athing is world class at 400m and Caster was not? Wow….plus anyone who breaks 4 for 1500m and has 49.62 400m speed is world class at 1500m/mile. Sit down and let the adults discuss this.
Whonose wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Highly doubtful.
World class 400m runner and #1 in the world in 800m.
Nobody with those credentials has ever been a top miler.
Closes to it was Juantorena. I cannot locate the data but I think he ran around a 3:40 1500m near the end of his career.
Apparently you never heard of Caster Semenya.
Semenya is good at 1500m, sure, but only 3:59.92 and 49,XX forn 400after several attempts. Definitely not Olympic medalist caliber, but an elite female runner
MatthewXCountry wrote:
Whonose wrote:
Apparently you never heard of Caster Semenya.
Semenya is good at 1500m, sure, but only 3:59.92 and 49,XX forn 400after several attempts. Definitely not Olympic medalist caliber, but an elite female runner
The point is she was world class from 400m through the mile. She ran 49.62 and 3:59 in the same season. This made her a potential Olympic champion at 1500m. This would be like a guy who could run about roughly 3:33 and 46. The guy would be a potential Olympic champion at 1500m.
Wise Old Man wrote:
over estimated wrote:
It's just more dopey than retarded...
Clearly she could be a good runner at 1500m if she trained for it. But to say she could demolish the American record which is what 356? That would mean she be running close to world record time for 1500m. And she hasn't shown that she has great endurance that's always been her weakness.
And like other people said so what. Mo Farah could have been a good 800m runner. But he wasn't going to be winning gold medals so who cares. He could have been potentially a medal candidate at 1500m but who cares because he wasn't going to be winning gold
Yeah when you're the best in the world you can move up a distance but it's not like a thing Mu has shown freakish Talent beyond the 400 or the 800
If you want to talk about freakish range Siffin Hassan is way better...
Hassan! Yes, for sure. She might have a chance to medal in the 800 and the marathon at an Olympics or worlds. No, she’s not going to try, but literally it is not an insane notion. Sure, Mu is faster and Kipyegon and maybe now Gidey will have the better of Hassan at 10K, and sure, Hassan would need to train to be able to compete with Jepchirchir, but honestly Hassan is a one person track team. If you held all the Olympic championship races 800 through the marathon with say 1 week of rest between them and invited every top woman to compete in as many as they can handle, is there any doubt Hassan would crush the field? She’d be top 5 in every race and would likely win a couple of them. Has Hassan ever run steeple? She’d win it.
I congratulate Sifan Hassan for her achievements but there is no way she could earn medals at 800m and Marathon at same Olympics &/or same W.C. S. Hassan set her 800m p.b. when she was a 1500m specialist over 4 1/2 years ago. Now that S. Hassan trains as a 10000m athlete, she cannot excel at 800m. S. Hassan wasn't confident enough to race 800m at Olympics or W.C. when she was a 1500m specialists. S. Hassan will not do it, not only because it is too bold, S. Hassan will not attempt 800m and Marathon because S. Hassan knows she would not medal at both events. Don't go overboard patting S. Hassan on the back for racing well from 1500m to 1/2 Marathon. Three-thousand metres to 1/2 Marathon for well trained runners, only (9 to 10)% pace difference. Do know: 200m to 400m is also about (9 to 10)% pace difference.
Hi Armstronglivis wrote:
Whonose wrote:
Athing Mu could break the US 1500m men’s record. There, I said it.
I see you
You don't see anything. Not me.
Whonose wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Semenya is not a world class 400m runner. Nor miler for that matter. Based on her best times.
Nor is she without male hormones.
If she had to compete as a male, she would be mediocre.
Otherwise great point
You are as ignorant about track as you are about the pandemic. Athing Mu has run 49.57 and Caster Semenya 49.62 and yet you think Athing is world class at 400m and Caster was not? Wow….plus anyone who breaks 4 for 1500m and has 49.62 400m speed is world class at 1500m/mile. Sit down and let the adults discuss this.
Mu is 19 years old and has already run 49.57. Semenya is 31 and will not better her lifetime best in the 400. And no, a 3:59 1500m PR is not world class...especially for someone who has so many male hormones. Keep trying though.
Jagged Jag wrote:
Schweizer's PR at 19 was 4:17. Mu's was 4:16.
Purrier's PR at 19 was 4:18. Mu's was 4:16.
Simpson's PR at 19 was 4:32. Mu's was 4:16.
Grace's PR at 19 was 4:32. Mu's was 4:16.
Houlihan's PR at 19 was 4:22. Mu's was 4:16.
Tell me again why she can't break the American record.
So what. No runner's career is based on what any other runner has done. Mu is a 400/800 runner. End of argument.
No chance to break 4:00 but also no reason for Mu to even try. She is a 400m runner that has been talked into running 800m, because it's easier for her to win. All she needs to do is to maintain her 400m speed while improving on 800m strength and the 800m WR record will be hers.
1500m is for people, who are not that fast in 400m / 800m.
big bop wrote:
Don't open a thread if you aren't willing to contribute. Read the title. It doesn't ask if she is going to pursue the 1500 dummy. It asks about potential. It is like asking how good Tiger Woods woukd have been in the 400.
And your logic fails by listing these people..
Tuohy 412 at 19... 409 converted at 19... Mary Cain 404 at 17... ethraimson 404 at at 18.
The people that hold the record and are near it are the ones to look at. Those have all been listed. She is at or above their level at the same age. If she chose to train for 1500, she would run 3:54 in 3 years.
3.54? Bollocks.
Bad Wigins wrote:
For a woman to run 1:55.05 or faster 800, and 3:54.99 1500m is almost unheard of.
Kazankina is the only one.
An E Bloc doper.
Master of LolIy wrote:
No chance to break 4:00 but also no reason for Mu to even try. She is a 400m runner that has been talked into running 800m, because it's easier for her to win. All she needs to do is to maintain her 400m speed while improving on 800m strength and the 800m WR record will be hers.
1500m is for people, who are not that fast in 400m / 800m.
It isn't. Every distance calls for its own specialists, not just runners who are slower at shorter distances.
over estimated wrote:
Let's see her actually double in the 400 and 800 before we start getting all Gaga for other distances. She barely has the American 800-meter record and has been lucky to hit her stride in the 400 and 800 when International competition is weak. She's very good maybe even great but she still has to prove that by continuing to do well. And double...
shes barely what 19?