Not unless they were on EPO like El G. There was no reliable EPO test until 2008.
Not unless they were on EPO like El G. There was no reliable EPO test until 2008.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Both have 3:27 ability in a near-perfect race. 3:26 might require absolute perfection with the pacing and the all-important segment from 900-1300. Jakob is likely to let Tim drive the action there so is he willing to sacrifice some chance of winning when he can hold something in reserve?
You agree a 1500 wr in 2022 is very unlikely. Which of the major outdoor records 800-marathon is most likely to fall in 2022? The current talent pool in the 5K, 10K, half is the best ever. 800/1500/3000 are safe. 5K/10K/half may well be lowered again this year, marathon likely safe, but not as much as the shorter distances.
my guess for both is probably not. Closer to definitely not for Jakob.
Depends how fast Stewy McSweyn goes out
danke shane wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
I would like to think Lagat is clean, but watching some of his races as a young man at WSU it’s hard not to wonder how that guy ever got to be the 3:26/7:29/12:53, many time medalist and world champion that he became. I would be interested to hear what Lagat credits for his improvement. Working on form? Did he have injuries when younger? Did his training change?
Most talented runner ever (and perhaps the prettiest form), never ran high mileage as a young man and saw consistent improvement and a long career as a result.
And doped.
Gunndar wrote:
Tim can break 3:27 if healthy but Jakob cannot.
Tim is 5 years older than Jakob.
When Tim was Jakob's age he was running 3:39.
The delusional Yakob fans have jumped the shark. How long is it going to take for you fanboys to realize the middle distance talent pool isnt of a caliber to threaten any world record? How many more enbarassing wr predictions is it gonna take for you to realize this?
This one made me laugh. Guy has run 7:27 in the 3k, but a peaked out 1500m he's a rabbit for the two top dogs.
Lets Run Snobs Have No Self Awareness.. wrote:
When Tim was Jakob's age he was running 3:39.
3:31. How could you be so far off?
OozmaKappa wrote:
Kobbs Hessler wrote:
Lol. Your comically obsessive Jakob hate is well known here and appropriately discounted by everyone. Your mea culpa this summer will be hysterical, assuming you have the honor to do so.
You literally just said you think Yakob in 2022 will:
1. Run 3:26
2. Run 7:23
3. Run 12:39
4. Win 2 (or more) gold medals at World Champs
I'm not even trolling when I say youre a delusional idiot. A double amputee could count with their fingers how many of your predictions will come true: 0. None of those things are happening.
Bruh, you must be trolling. He literally said at least one gold, and you said he literally said win 2 or more golds. Who's gonna bet against the reigning Olympic champ?
OozmaKappa wrote:
No, neither one of them is capable of going under 3:28. Let's be real, they're just a couple of 3:28 guys, not 3:26 guys and especially not 3:25 guys.
Nothing wrong with that, I love Timothy, but not every athlete is going to be a Cheptegei or a Kiplimo.
To be fair, Jakob ran 3:28.3 in an Olympic Final and wasn't giving it his all through the line. I think he was capable of 3:27 high at the very least that day.
TC ran 3:28 with a 52 first lap, I think at the very least that's a 3:27.99 effort. It's arguably a 3:26 effort.
And when you say "Just a couple of 3:28 guys", I think it's important to remember that out of the 13 people (who are no longer competing in the 1500) who have ran 3:28, 5 of them broke 3:28, and a 6th ran a 3:26 equivalent. There's pretty much a 50/50 shot that if you run 3:28 during your career, you'll run under 3:28 in your career. Plus, these are two of the most consistent 1500m athletes of all time. They may not be El G level, but if they ran 3:26, it's not like nobody would have seen it coming.
Peach Pit wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
You literally just said you think Yakob in 2022 will:
1. Run 3:26
2. Run 7:23
3. Run 12:39
4. Win 2 (or more) gold medals at World Champs
I'm not even trolling when I say youre a delusional idiot. A double amputee could count with their fingers how many of your predictions will come true: 0. None of those things are happening.
Bruh, you must be trolling. He literally said at least one gold, and you said he literally said win 2 or more golds. Who's gonna bet against the reigning Olympic champ?
"At least one" literally means "2 or more." Literally.
Yakob was evenly matched against an injured Tim last year. It's not a guarantee he will beat Tim at Worlds. And he's for sure not going to win the 5000m if the Ugandans and Barega are in it. The distance events have much higher quality talent than middle distance does.
OozmaKappa wrote:
"At least one" literally means "2 or more." Literally.
This is a record for stupidity, even for you.
Thank you. I try.
More than likely is that Josh Kerr runs in the 3:26s rather than Tim.
JBaller33 wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
Morocco’s training groups were all pretty questionable. I would put money on El G doping. But who knows about anyone. I would like to think Lagat is clean, but watching some of his races as a young man at WSU it’s hard not to wonder how that guy ever got to be the 3:26/7:29/12:53, many time medalist and world champion that he became. I would be interested to hear what Lagat credits for his improvement. Working on form? Did he have injuries when younger? Did his training change?
Bernard Lagat tested positive for EPO, but the B sample came back negative. That's not quite fire, but that's a lot of smoke and there was certainly a lot of smoke about him being on HGH too in addition to EPO.
His samples were mishandled and not just that, his A sample that was flagged as positive was determined on re-examination to not have been positive in the first place because the lab read the lines wrong. He did not get off on just a technicality (B sample negative) - he was exonerated - both A and B sample negative. Testing procedures were changed and improved from what they learned in his case.
http://web.archive.org/web/20120515065402/https://www.letsrun.com/2003/lagatfull.docOf course they dope and they run in bouncy tracks and also with shoes that return back energy. Likely at least 1-1.5 sec advantage per lap than great El G.
El G in the late 90’s was capable of 3:24 with today’s shoe technology and bouncy fast tracks he could probably run 3:20-3:21.
JBaller33 wrote:
Gjert has already said that he thinks Jakob is at his peak due to the high mileage he has already run as a teenager and the toll that takes on his body. He said that if there are any improvements, they will come in very small increments and that the focus of Jakob's training will be holding his Olympic gold medal form through the next Olympic cycle, and possibly one more Olympic cycle after that. Jakob will be 27 in Paris 2028. Gjert has also said he can't see Jakob's career lasting until he is 30.
Can you provide a source for Gjert´s statement or is it just something you heard in the town?
He literally said "at least one gold medal" not two or more.
Of course, but why so conservative? I think he could have gone 3.15-3.17, for example