high school xc coach wrote:
THere have been a few men to run 3:26-3:27, and pretty sure we all know what the secret is/was.
Not the point. 3:26 is what it takes to be on the level of Bekele, Cheptegei, Kipchoge, or Gebrselassie. The 1500m does not currently have that caliber of talent. Long distance events do, the world record holders are all actively competing.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Not that it matters because Olympic performances arent as impirtant in the grand scheme of things as many people insist, but I have to ask
How is Kerr's 3rd place finish better than Kiplimo's 3rd and 5th?
DamielskaWHO?
With that out of the way, you completely missed the point. The point is that there is no Bekele, Geb, El G, Kipchoge, Rudisha or Cheptegei in the 1500m right now. I dont care how big a fan you are, Kerr is not close to that level. There is no one running anywhere close to 3:26 right now. Not a single person. Certainly not Kerr. Thats not putting him down, that's just facts.
Well you said it yourself, Olympics are completely unimportant. Placings are unimportant.
You seem to stress only times. Kerr ran the 18th fastest 1500 ever en route to his bronze medal.
Kiplimo ran a 13:02 and a 27:43 time. Where, may I ask do those times end up in the history books? Top 800?
In this case, what exactly makes you say Kiplimo did better than Kerr in the Olympics?
Jakob crushed him and eased up to win only by 0.6 seconds, which is a lot when you ease by on the last turn and then coast it in celebrating.
He beat him but again Hagos is probably Ethiopia’s 5th-best 5,000m runner fresh? It’s a cool win, but let’s not act like running 12:49 and beating Hagos Gebrhiwet stamped him as the best ever at 5,000.
OozmaKappa wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
THere have been a few men to run 3:26-3:27, and pretty sure we all know what the secret is/was.
Not the point. 3:26 is what it takes to be on the level of Bekele, Cheptegei, Kipchoge, or Gebrselassie. The 1500m does not currently have that caliber of talent. Long distance events do, the world record holders are all actively competing.
and he isn't beating those guys either.
in fact, he is 1-1 against jakob.
Notice that all the idiots trying to trash the Africans then pick their white heroes to be much superior.
Personally, I like the Africans, and anyone else who's a good runner too - but not if they're jerks.
my two pennies wrote:
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Lol. Kiplimo is a no name. Jakob accomplished 1000x more than Kiplimo did up until this point. If your dear Kiplimo could do one of your mythical speed cycles and beat Jakob in a 1500 then he would have tried. But he knows better.
I know you’re probably trolling but just in case you aren’t…
Jacob is a world champion and a world record holder, which compares favorably to an Oly gold for Jakob. He also beat Jakob in their one head to head race. Their PRs at the in-between distances from their specialties (3k and 5k) are nearly identical, with Jacob having the slight edge. Both won their 12:48 race in dominant fashion against a strong field, so arguing that Jakob “could” have run faster is a moot point (the same could be said about Jacob).
They are clearly the top two talents of their generation, but the truth is if you really want to get down to it, there is no good argument that Jakob is better than Jacob. Not to mention, Jacob has had to content for world and Olympic titles with the 5k/10k WR holder, the former half marathon WR holder (before he himself broke it), and the U20 5k WR holder. Meanwhile, Jakob only has to beat Tim Cheruiyot, a great runner but not an all-time great like Chep, plus a few 3:29-3:30 runners with nothing else special about them.
Why did you even bother responding to such nonsense?
high school xc coach wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Not the point. 3:26 is what it takes to be on the level of Bekele, Cheptegei, Kipchoge, or Gebrselassie. The 1500m does not currently have that caliber of talent. Long distance events do, the world record holders are all actively competing.
and he isn't beating those guys either.
in fact, he is 1-1 against jakob.
Who is? Kiplimo? Again, not the point. Whether Kiplimo can or can't beat those guys is besides the point, the point is that Yakob doesnt HAVE to because there is no one like that in the mile. The 1500m does not currently have the caliber of talent equivalent to an El G, Bekele, Chep, Geb, Rudisha, or Kipchoge. Long distance events do, the world record holders are all actively competing.
That includes Kiplimo, btw. He now joins the list as one of those WR holders. What do you mean he cant beat them? He literally is one of them. If these current era milers want to join the conversation then they need to run at least a 3:26.
money run wrote:
Well you said it yourself, Olympics are completely unimportant. Placings are unimportant.
You seem to stress only times. Kerr ran the 18th fastest 1500 ever en route to his bronze medal.
Kiplimo ran a 13:02 and a 27:43 time. Where, may I ask do those times end up in the history books? Top 800?
In this case, what exactly makes you say Kiplimo did better than Kerr in the Olympics?
Alright, I'm willing to concede that Kerr performed better at the Olympics than Kiplimo by bringing his absolute best to Tokyo and peaking in the final, if you concede that that means Kiplimo's A-game is far beyond what he brought to Tokyo.
Kiplimo's peak performance is rated at 1299 pts, but he has 3 more performances at 1268, 1261, and 1252 pts.
Kerr's peak performance? 1258 pts, or about as good as Kiplimo's 4th best event.
Kerr is 18th all time in the 1500m, thats cool.
But Kiplimo is 8th all time in the 3000m. 7th all time in the 10000m. 13th all time in the 5000m. And the current all time best in the 15k and Half Marathon.
You already conceded to me that placements at the Olympics dont matter and started rating performances. It follows that where the performances took place likewise does not matter, where someone peaks is irrelevant. If we're only concerned with an athlete's peaks and not where they happen or what hardware comes with them, then Kiplimo just dwarfs Kerr.
Kerr's bronze is better than Kiplimo's bronze. But I don't care. Lol
OozmaKappa wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
and he isn't beating those guys either.
in fact, he is 1-1 against jakob.
Who is? Kiplimo? Again, not the point. Whether Kiplimo can or can't beat those guys is besides the point, the point is that Yakob doesnt HAVE to because there is no one like that in the mile. The 1500m does not currently have the caliber of talent equivalent to an El G, Bekele, Chep, Geb, Rudisha, or Kipchoge. Long distance events do, the world record holders are all actively competing.
That includes Kiplimo, btw. He now joins the list as one of those WR holders. What do you mean he cant beat them? He literally is one of them. If these current era milers want to join the conversation then they need to run at least a 3:26.
Is it some mental issue that you prefer wrong spellings? Can you please explain?
Yes
OozmaKappa wrote:
Yes
OK. Then all the best for you.
Kerr? Hahahaha. Kiplimo is far below Kerr. Thats two completely different animals. One is a thoroughbred and the other a emaciated pony. Please dont compare the athlete that Kerr is to someone that doesnt even run faster than a woman.
Even Hocker is far superior to Kiplimo. Yes, the kid is far more impressive to me and just shows the talent thats out there now. Kiplimo dreams of running a 3:31 but he knows he doesnt have that kind of speed. Kiplimo probably has a poster of Hocker above his bed.
What is all that "points" nonsense? Thats all subjective gibberish not based in reality. The reality is that the biggest studs in running have always gone for the 1500/mile first. Thats where you find the uber runners. Second is the 5000. Third is the 3000, then 10000. 15k?? Exactly 4 legit runners have gone for a 15k record while 4000 have gone for the 1500 record. Which one do you think would be easier to achieve? Lol. 15k. The half is not much better.
Running 3:32 in a 1500 is more impressive to me than a 57 half. To me Kiplimo is about as talented as Charles Grethen from Luxembourg.
my two pennies wrote:
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Lol. Kiplimo is a no name. Jakob accomplished 1000x more than Kiplimo did up until this point. If your dear Kiplimo could do one of your mythical speed cycles and beat Jakob in a 1500 then he would have tried. But he knows better.
I know you’re probably trolling but just in case you aren’t…
Jacob is a world champion and a world record holder, which compares favorably to an Oly gold for Jakob. He also beat Jakob in their one head to head race. Their PRs at the in-between distances from their specialties (3k and 5k) are nearly identical, with Jacob having the slight edge. Both won their 12:48 race in dominant fashion against a strong field, so arguing that Jakob “could” have run faster is a moot point (the same could be said about Jacob).
They are clearly the top two talents of their generation, but the truth is if you really want to get down to it, there is no good argument that Jakob is better than Jacob. Not to mention, Jacob has had to content for world and Olympic titles with the 5k/10k WR holder, the former half marathon WR holder (before he himself broke it), and the U20 5k WR holder. Meanwhile, Jakob only has to beat Tim Cheruiyot, a great runner but not an all-time great like Chep, plus a few 3:29-3:30 runners with nothing else special about them.
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saving this wrote:
Kerr? Hahahaha. Kiplimo is far below Kerr. Thats two completely different animals. One is a thoroughbred and the other a emaciated pony. Please dont compare the athlete that Kerr is to someone that doesnt even run faster than a woman.
Even Hocker is far superior to Kiplimo. Yes, the kid is far more impressive to me and just shows the talent thats out there now. Kiplimo dreams of running a 3:31 but he knows he doesnt have that kind of speed. Kiplimo probably has a poster of Hocker above his bed.
What is all that "points" nonsense? Thats all subjective gibberish not based in reality. The reality is that the biggest studs in running have always gone for the 1500/mile first. Thats where you find the uber runners. Second is the 5000. Third is the 3000, then 10000. 15k?? Exactly 4 legit runners have gone for a 15k record while 4000 have gone for the 1500 record. Which one do you think would be easier to achieve? Lol. 15k. The half is not much better.
Running 3:32 in a 1500 is more impressive to me than a 57 half. To me Kiplimo is about as talented as Charles Grethen from Luxembourg.
Damn LR trolls used to be good
OozmaKappa wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
and he isn't beating those guys either.
in fact, he is 1-1 against jakob.
Who is? Kiplimo? Again, not the point. Whether Kiplimo can or can't beat those guys is besides the point, the point is that Yakob doesnt HAVE to because there is no one like that in the mile. The 1500m does not currently have the caliber of talent equivalent to an El G, Bekele, Chep, Geb, Rudisha, or Kipchoge. Long distance events do, the world record holders are all actively competing.
That includes Kiplimo, btw. He now joins the list as one of those WR holders. What do you mean he cant beat them? He literally is one of them. If these current era milers want to join the conversation then they need to run at least a 3:26.
Now we have an active 3:26 man again finally.