Options Trader wrote:
400k for doing what.? Hardly racing, being injured often. Justin talks big but cannot perform big.
Is this rememberer reborn?
Still slinging mud against Knight when he continues to deliver and impress?
Laughable attempt to discredit someone with a arguably the fourth-best resume for current distance runners in North America (1. Rupp, 2. Chelimo, 3. Ahmed, 4. Knight, 5. Lomong).
High hopes wrote:
$150k seems like a lot to pay a guy who might, at best, finish 6th in the Olympics. Nike could sponsor five Kenyans with a lot more potential for the same money
This isn't about who is running fastest. Look at this forum. Endless discussions about runners that are never competing outside the US. (This isn't a dig at Cooper who actually is doing some international competitions).
Stanely wrote:
Not true. We already discussed the potentially racist nature of the un-signing of Cheserek. Black. Greatest collegiate distance runner in NCAA history. No Nike contract.
Scholar Expert wrote:
Who are the top Americans in each event and are they on contract? yes. What is their skin color? It doesn't matter. If Teare was black, he would have the same contract that he has.
One of the big issues with Ches was why would a company like Nike pour money into him when he was not going to be making any national team (going to worlds or Olympics)? he has been tied up in the dream to get American citizenship and as a result had zero chances to make a national team. So with no chance at a national team the major companies offered him much less than his super agent thought he was worth . But with no international championships he was not really worth anything to the major companies
rojo wrote:
Mr. Slowpoke wrote:
None of my business, but wish contracts were publicized like other sports.
Unless they are so embarrassingly low (like Indy ball for baseball) that it would lend itself to being made fun of? Tell me he'll gross six figures for a full Olympic cycle at least?
Gross six figures? He's making well north of 6 figures per year. 200k wouldn't stun me. No American collegian has ever run faster for the mile or 5000. Yes I know it's the super shoe era but with so many teams out there guys that used to make 40-50 out of college are now making 60-80 and guys that never competed for NCAA champs but were like maybe 3rd are getting 100k.
If Justyn Knight - a Canadian was getting like 400 - this guy should be at least getting close to half that. Equalling it wouldn;t actually even shock me, particularly if he went for some brand we'd barely heard of. But since he stayed with Nike, I assume he's taking a hometown discount.
Who is Justyn Knight? The Oregon boys are very popular. $400k for Justin is crazy. What has he done as a pro to justify that much money. He is not popular. I will never buy Reebok shoes.
Westlake Tavern Pizza wrote:
Options Trader wrote:
400k for doing what.? Hardly racing, being injured often. Justin talks big but cannot perform big.
Is this rememberer reborn?
Still slinging mud against Knight when he continues to deliver and impress?
Laughable attempt to discredit someone with a arguably the fourth-best resume for current distance runners in North America (1. Rupp, 2. Chelimo, 3. Ahmed, 4. Knight, 5. Lomong).
Fanboy is alive. 🙋♂️ 🤡
Options Trader wrote:
Westlake Tavern Pizza wrote:
Is this rememberer reborn?
Still slinging mud against Knight when he continues to deliver and impress?
Laughable attempt to discredit someone with a arguably the fourth-best resume for current distance runners in North America (1. Rupp, 2. Chelimo, 3. Ahmed, 4. Knight, 5. Lomong).
Fanboy is alive. 🙋♂️ 🤡
I mean he did make a fool out of you.
te5n1k wrote:
im still kind of puzzled by coops meltdown in cross, but he was close to making the olympic team in the 5k and his mile PR is not too shabby either. think coop and cole have a nice symbiotic relationship going, but might not last if cole actually ascends to that next level.
You see what happened is he got tired.
Options Trader wrote:
rojo wrote:
Gross six figures? He's making well north of 6 figures per year. 200k wouldn't stun me. No American collegian has ever run faster for the mile or 5000. Yes I know it's the super shoe era but with so many teams out there guys that used to make 40-50 out of college are now making 60-80 and guys that never competed for NCAA champs but were like maybe 3rd are getting 100k.
If Justyn Knight - a Canadian was getting like 400 - this guy should be at least getting close to half that. Equalling it wouldn;t actually even shock me, particularly if he went for some brand we'd barely heard of. But since he stayed with Nike, I assume he's taking a hometown discount.
Who is Justyn Knight? The Oregon boys are very popular. $400k for Justin is crazy. What has he done as a pro to justify that much money. He is not popular. I will never buy Reebok shoes.
He's run 12:51 for 5k and made the Olympic team. That's more than most US distance runners could hope for. Teare will never break 13 for 5k
Interesting
Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:
eguiz wrote:
Teare has also historically been at the forefront of New Gen T&F, together with Ben Crawford. Irrespective of his running potential, the marketing opportunities with high schoolers and the like are pretty good, and fill a gap in Nike's marketing portfolio.
This ^
The world is not fair nor is it a meritocracy. Income is based largely on popularity and sometimes popular mediocrity get handsomely rewarded. Is Meghan Thee Stallion a generational musical talent? Not by a long shot but, her songs sell because a lot of people seem to like them. What about Marvel movies? Great groundbreaking cinema or mindless action that is just fun to watch?
Fair or not, Kenyans do not sell shoes. American high school boys will rush out to buy whatever Cooper and Cole are wearing. High school girls will also buy Nike gear because they think that Cooper is cute and funny (the girls that I coach adore the guy and hang on his Instagram posts, don't get me started on their universal Craig Engels crush.).
I think this misses the mark. Nike aren't sponsoring pros to sell shoes to high school kids, they're sponsoring them to sell shoes to hobby joggers. If Nike was only selling shoes to school kids, the running arm of the business would be bust. It's the hobby joggers buying Pegs and Winflo's and increasingly the Next% as well, that make the money.
You're right about mediocrity selling though. A mediocre athlete with good socials can sell a lot of shoes. Hell, there's a guy at my club who runs 36 mins for 10k who has a gear only deal because he has good socials with lots of engagement.
200k is low for Hocker. $500k are more makes much more sense to me.
$250k Hocker
$125k Teare
My thought is this might be the least surprising thing I've ever read on this website. I mean what's surprising about this - great for him, he deserves it. Great talent who clearly works hard.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
My thought is this might be the least surprising thing I've ever read on this website. I mean what's surprising about this - great for him, he deserves it. Great talent who clearly works hard.
Yeah, as I recall Jenny signed a pretty big multi-year deal a few months after collapsing in the NCAA final. Cooper has been quite consistent and has improved steadily since high school, when he was one of the top runners in the country.
One bad race doesn't really mean anything as this point.
igotoneforyou wrote:
Will he end up at btc? 😐
No they didn't want him. Not a personality fit
Scholar Expert wrote:
$250k Hocker
$125k Teare
This is smart.
Probably around the same as the athlete special made with Brooks
Options Trader wrote:
400k for doing what.? Hardly racing, being injured often. Justin talks big but cannot perform big.
He's run 12:51 - faster than anyone in US history for 5000. He's been top 10 at the last two global championships.
He's done quite well. Do I think he's sold several milion dollars worth of Reebok shoes? Of course not, but that can be said of virtually all the top pros.
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tbh i think cole probably got a bigger contract that justyn. runner salaries arent that obvious so really no idea where that ranks. if cooper got half as much as cole then i would be surprised (either too much for cooper or cole didnt get the payout he couldve gotten).