Both Elise Cranny and Courtney Frerichs give a shout out to Shelby Houlihan after making their respective Olympic teams

rojo wrote:

The more I think about this. The Shelby case in some ways is going to be the George Floyd equivalent for track and field. Yes,there were lots of police brutality cases but that one pushed it over the top.

How many times do we have to cases like Ajee, Jarrion, Shelby, etc. before change is made. Even if you think Shelby dirty, we can't continue with this system. It must change.

We can't keep having stars test positive and then sometimes they get off, sometimes they don't.

Thanks rojo! Finally someone understands!

oh, I'm pretty calm, just dumfounded again and again by Rojo's ignorance and stupidity. I did not think he was making a case for shelby at all, but I did think his analogy missed the mark by a few parsecs. To compare hundreds of years of systemic oppression and hate based on skin color, that came to a head(in our recent lifetime), to something as trivial as some obsessive distance runner getting banned for doping is so ludicrous it's stunning.

1337_moron wrote:

oh, I'm pretty calm, just dumfounded again and again by Rojo's ignorance and stupidity. I did not think he was making a case for shelby at all, but I did think his analogy missed the mark by a few parsecs. To compare hundreds of years of systemic oppression and hate based on skin color, that came to a head(in our recent lifetime), to something as trivial as some obsessive distance runner getting banned for doping is so ludicrous it's stunning.

Equating George Floyd's death with "hundreds of years of systemic oppression and hate based on skin color" is pretty ludicrous too. I don't even think Rev. Sharp said that! That's out there, Joy.

Sometimes it best not to try and out-luud someone.

rojo wrote:

How many times do we have to cases like Ajee, Jarrion, Shelby, etc. before change is made. Even if you think Shelby dirty, we can't continue with this system. It must change.

We can't keep having stars test positive and then sometimes they get off, sometimes they don't.

She should come up with a better story instead of the idiota one she and her team came up with. Also, she should have been closer to the threshold instead of "to the gills" level which required the I accidently ate a radioactive pig defense.

Jambo wrote:

friends ...... wrote:

they are accomplices

Fixed

I was a Jager fan boy. Long before that Tegenkamp fanboy. I'm in love with most of the Bowerman babes.

But it just got to be too much. Too good to be true.

The ship is sinking, and I'm sad. It was a beautiful boat, but down it goes.

For years, one of the prevailing notions as to why Americans couldn't keep up with East Africans was because we didn't train in high level groups. Then the groups popped up and it started to look good. But it was too good.

ALL of NOP doped. ALL of BTC doped. ALL of the top level foreigners they're competing against doped. Its a sad state.

+1

Rojo’s apology tomorrow: “I am sorry for making that comparison, I was out of line to make a comparison between a positive substance test to murder by cop, as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos it will be a home run, and so that will make it a 4-0 ballgame.”

brennaman wrote:

Rojo’s apology tomorrow: “I am sorry for making that comparison, I was out of line to make a comparison between a positive substance test to murder by cop, as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos it will be a home run, and so that will make it a 4-0 ballgame.”

As a Reds fan, sadly, +1

Wonkin Tonkin wrote:

That’s disgusting. It really is.

What a bunch of nitwits. Houlihan was screwing them over, and they’re too childish to understand that.

+1

A guy murdered, symptom of systemic racism and oppression, vs privileged white girl caught cheating & authorities had the audacity to not buy her garbage excuse, gets stanned by the establishment.

Diametrically opposite situations. Literal murder vs a cheater getting caught. Victim of systemic racism vs someone benefiting from white privilege.

The comparison speaks volume of the mindset of the person making it.

Yes I saw that LOL. I was watching Emma the whole time during that interview, she was putting on a fake smile I could tell.

Someone said it in this thread and I totally agree, every time I hear smth abt Shelby I literally cringe. It's just a terrible look for BTC

Barry Badrinath wrote:

brennaman wrote:

Rojo’s apology tomorrow: “I am sorry for making that comparison, I was out of line to make a comparison between a positive substance test to murder by cop, as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos it will be a home run, and so that will make it a 4-0 ballgame.”

As a Reds fan, sadly, +1

Lol, that moment will never stop being funny

NORTH LONDON IS RED wrote:

Honestly, if someone just said it was a tainted supplement instead of a burrito I could have lived with the whole situation. We all know many runners are taking all sorts of concoctions from illegal to legal or TUEs. Over it.

Now, inside the mind of someone who lives and trains with Shelby. They are in the grey zone, and she gets popped. They want to express their sadness for her. While it looks suspect, I guess I get it. They are all close. Nike may be on their arses to say something. I don’t view it as nefarious as others do. It’s just kind of a sad, this happened to my friend and also maybe some Stockholm syndrome too.

Anyone who is ok with a cheater is doing it themselves. I remember how outraged the shotputter Valerie Adams was when it turned out a doper had beat her at London 2012. That's a pretty normal response to being cheated.

rojo wrote:

The more I think about this. The Shelby case in some ways is going to be the George Floyd equivalent for track and field. Yes,there were lots of police brutality cases but that one pushed it over the top.

How many times do we have to cases like Ajee, Jarrion, Shelby, etc. before change is made. Even if you think Shelby dirty, we can't continue with this system. It must change.

We can't keep having stars test positive and then sometimes they get off, sometimes they don't.

The Houlihan case is different to Lawson and Wilson because she could not provide any convincing evidence of her innocence. She couldn't even provide a receipt for the meat that she says was tainted, which Lawson did provide. The facts of each case are different.

Maybe the problem here is that USADA is failing to live up the standards of the rest of the world. Why is USADA clearing athletes that would be banned under WADA rules? Is something rotten inside USADA and are we in a position where there needs to be a response from WADA? When a national anti-doping authority can't enforce the rules, then it reflects poorly on the whole of T&F in that country - see Kenya, for example.

What can't happen sit for WADA to give in and make exemptions for US athletes and raise the acceptable limit for steroid testing. That's just an open invitation to micro-dose

rojo wrote:

The more I think about this. The Shelby case in some ways is going to be the George Floyd equivalent for track and field. Yes,there were lots of police brutality cases but that one pushed it over the top.

How many times do we have to cases like Ajee, Jarrion, Shelby, etc. before change is made. Even if you think Shelby dirty, we can't continue with this system. It must change.

We can't keep having stars test positive and then sometimes they get off, sometimes they don't.

wejo, please sort this out. You seem to have taken an overgenerous share of the twin's portions of brains.

In any confrontative system their will be imbalances and outright errors.

In terms of false positives, i think they are in the amazing minority.

in terms of cheating lieing scumbags coming up with appalling ridiculous excuses and trying it on - and occasionally getting away with it <- this is where the imbalance is.

Look at the number caught and the number who deny it immediately - almost, if not - 100%

ROJO - STOP SUPPORTING DRUGS AND SHILLING FOR NIKE

Rojo has drawn a poor and quite tasteless analogy with the George Floyd killing. He has quite rightly been called out on it. But an analogy that might apply to Houlihan is that for American athletics it may be another 'Ben Johnson moment'; outrage at discovering the truth but nothing really changes. The circus goes on.

Wejo probably wrote all exams for rojo as well. Is there a way to check the handwriting

authentic ricardo flair wrote:

She should come up with a better story instead of the idiota one she and her team came up with. Also, she should have been closer to the threshold instead of "to the gills" level which required the I accidently ate a radioactive pig defense.

^ Exactly. A caught drug cheat doesn't need to prove how the dope got into their system; unfortunately coming up with a believable story is enough.

However, if they doped too much, even a "believable" contamination story (I ate beef in a Japanese restaurant) won't help.

As for the other BTC athletes "supporting" the drug cheat: birds of a feather... I am not surprised.

Stop the lying only someone in Emma inner circle would be able tell if she was putting on a fake smile. Interestingly Emma hug Courtney immediately after the race no hesitation and did it again during the post interview. Y’all just looking for anything to dislike BTC starting to get pathetic now.