IOC/IAAF to the rescue? wrote:
Could the IOC or IAAF ban the entire US track team from the Olympics if they select a convicted doper who is supposed to be banned?
They can for sure ban everyone running races with her. I guess they should declare usatf non compliant and ban everyone
I know a lot of professional runners have kept their mouths shut on Shelby’s ban up until now. IF Shelby makes it to the start line on Friday I expect everyone of her competitors to be blasting her on social media. Shelby- you tested positive, appealed, and were still found guilty. Drug cheats out!
If she lines up to race it will spark an entirely new conversation and one that I don't think will help her case for being innocent.
The privilege and audacity to line up after everything. Wether she is guilty or not, is slap in the face over every other competitor and will look really bad. She is above the rules.
sayyestonepotism wrote:
They can for sure ban everyone running races with her.
Yes. See Baumann in 2001. I think it was Schumann back then who withdrew his entry so he wouldn't get banned for racing with a banned cheat.
But there is no winning here for the others. If they withdraw from the trials to avoid a ban, they can't go to Olympics.
There may be something in her past that has led her down this path - if she, in fact - was doping. Lance had a tough childhood, affected his personality and win at all cost mentality.
Surely she’ll be running as a bandit....
The utter arrogance of this woman. Didn’t play by rules, caught, lied and now refuses to accept the rules.
About time we started jailing these fraudsters.
She’s not running.
Feel bad for the young girls running that were following her progress and thinking of her as a hero, and really sad if she wasn't doping at all.
Hard for some of you to grasp that she could be innocent. Imagine your daughter is the top runner in your state in HS and is pulled from the sectional meet for being at a drinking party on a night that she was actually home with you watching a movie. You get a lawyer who gets a judge to allow your daughter to compete in the meet. Sounds like you would have just stood by and allow the school to ruin her senior year and ruin her reputation going into college.
Race is tomorrow and she is entered. Why would she not?
Hooly my hoop Shelby wrote:
War that can't be won wrote:
I've basically come around to this, the crusade on "clean sport" is hurting the sport more than the people that are doping.
Said all white americans when they find out a white american is guilty of doping. Boo hoo you big fat baby.
I more or less started this take with the Asbel Kiprop ban. When people win enough to actually be big names in the sport we can't afford to be taking them down.
There must be some mistake in the posted Start Lists. Not only is Houlihan listed for both the 1500 AND the 5000, so is Elle Purrier St.Pierre, Jenny Simpson, Elise Cranny, Alli Cash, and Whitney Morgan.
The first round for both the 1500 and the 5000 are tomorrow, less than two hours apart. Also, the finals for each are on Monday, 35 MINUTES apart. There is no way any of the women intend to run both races.
blue man wrote:
Hard for some of you to grasp that she could be innocent. Imagine your daughter is the top runner in your state in HS and is pulled from the sectional meet for being at a drinking party on a night that she was actually home with you watching a movie. You get a lawyer who gets a judge to allow your daughter to compete in the meet. Sounds like you would have just stood by and allow the school to ruin her senior year and ruin her reputation going into college.
More like:
Imagine your daughter is at a party where there is underage drinking and the cops come and she blows 0.02 and she gets banned from a track meet.
Then the family takes the police station to court and argues that she drank kombucha that should’ve contained no alcohol. But then when they check her receipts she never bought kombucha and she actually Venmo’d a friend for alcohol.
THEN once the police refuse to drop the underage charge she shows up to the meet anyways believing she has a right to race.
Ghost1 wrote:
I’ve checked her Instagram account several times and there is no news about her participation in the trials and I’m not sure that she’s in the right state of mind to take part in these running trials.
Guilty or not, she should be given her day in court just like anyone who faces allegations.
Yes, she already had her day in court
Which court?
If she is innocent, she wasn't at a party. She was home watching a movie with you.
blue man wrote:
Which court?
Court of Arbitration for Sport
blue man wrote:
Which court?
The Court of Owls
blue man wrote:
Race is tomorrow and she is entered. Why would she not?
I don't know. Sanctions for team USA and all her competitors would face bans as individuals??
Rule prevents a country from hosting track and field leagues for dopers. So Russia can't say, lets just host an "dopers" circuit of track meets and still expect to compete as a country internationally.
casual obsever wrote:
sayyestonepotism wrote:
They can for sure ban everyone running races with her.
Yes. See Baumann in 2001. I think it was Schumann back then who withdrew his entry so he wouldn't get banned for racing with a banned cheat.
But there is no winning here for the others. If they withdraw from the trials to avoid a ban, they can't go to Olympics.
The ban on racing dopers is to stop them organizing their own meetings during their suspension. USATF organizing their national championship surely doesn't meet the intention of the ban and wouldn't be upheld.