Aaleby wrote:
Mentilly wrote:
Why is it annoying when a white runner is a doper? Jakob is one of the most obvious dopers I have ever seen.
How can Jacob be one of the most obvious dopers when he has been followed closely by the media since he was 11, where the performance shows steady improvements each and every year?
Similar to Marion Jones? Yup…
Coevett wrote:
reheh wrote:
Subway and Coevett always said that if you ran as fast as a doper (and they say ElG was a doper) you were definitely a doper.
Jakob is already faster at 5,000.
No, I've never said that. Perhaps you're confusing me with Casual Observer? I've argued against that logic many times. I'd agree that it would be very unlikely for a clean Kenyan to run faster than the hundreds of Kenyan dopers, but it's not impossible for clean European to run faster.
Fantastic to see Jakob take the European record away from a Moroccan doper. Next up El G's WR. Every performance restoring some sanity and hope to this great sport. He will likely end his career with 3:24/12:30 or faster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh5CJhqsOD4
ya, you don't need to come from africa
ya jacob trajectory is for WR.
regarding PEDs jacob does not have the usual red flag profile.
i'm assuming jacob is not at a disadvantage nutritionally so to speak.
based on international results, it looking like an even playing field on the men's side at the moment.
remember back in the day it was the west and eastern block which took most advantage of PEDs.
PEDs are not racial
Coevett wrote:
Jakob will likely end his career with 3:24/12:30 or faster.
Insane much?
12:40 at best for Jakob, which would be extremely extraordinary. 3:26 is also probably out of reach, but maybe 3:27 is possible.
think first wrote:
Celebrate greatness and please leave shoes and peds for other threads.
History has been written today. European record and fastest non-African 5k ever.
Also big balls run from Katir. McSweyn didn't live up to expectations though...
The only thing missing was Cram calling it at the end, and a close up of Gjert at the finish too. Seriously, they should keep the camera on dad - he’d be going crazy. Would have been very entertaining. Expect we’ll see it on the next series of ‘The Ingebritsens’ (assuming there’ll be one..does anyone know if this brilliant series is continuing?).
think first wrote:
Celebrate greatness and please leave shoes and peds for other threads.
History has been written today. European record and fastest non-African 5k ever.
Also big balls run from Katir. McSweyn didn't live up to expectations though...
Yeah tough showing for McSweyn. Amazing 5K breakthroughs for Katir, Knight and Jakob. It was to everyone's benefit (and Cram noted it) that the pace went out steady (12:55 pace) but not at 12:40-45 pace. Everyone else ran smart and did a solid job of hanging onto the pace even as Cheptegei dropped it down to 61s.
It's great that the doper is no longer on the books. I would've been very happy with Jakob or Katir doing it. It feels nice in the post-Farah era we have guys running with more courage and chasing fast times as opposed to dawdling around to run 13:00-13:05.
For the record, I think Ingebrigtsen is a SUPREME talent but...
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
It feels nice in the post-Farah era we have guys running with more courage and chasing fast times as opposed to dawdling around to run 13:00-13:05.
Definitely! At last!
reheh wrote:
Aaleby wrote:
How can Jacob be one of the most obvious dopers when he has been followed closely by the media since he was 11, where the performance shows steady improvements each and every year?
He is as suspicious of being a doper as Cheptegei is.
Wrong. Its extremly harder to be a doper from Norway without getting caught compared to countries in Africa. Thats a fact. During the pandemic the antidoping of Norway even bought motor homes to be able to continue to test the athletes in the same manner as earlier.
think first wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Jakob will likely end his career with 3:24/12:30 or faster.
Insane much?
12:40 at best for Jakob, which would be extremely extraordinary. 3:26 is also probably out of reach, but maybe 3:27 is possible.
Back in 2018 I predicted 12:17 and 3:24 for Jakob when all said and done. What about George Manangoi?
reheh wrote:
SprintTriathlon wrote:
A guy with insane vo2Max at the age of 11, hailed as the biggest European runnerprodigy from then and throughout his teenage years, trained very smart all his life and all you can come up with is he is a doper.
Shame on you.
Where did I call him a doper?
Shame on you for your dishonesty.
You just have to love the anonymous that fill every chat forum with nonsensical bigotry and pure evil, and able themselves to statements illogical in every sense, hiding from proper people by not even declaring who they are.
Ghost1 wrote:
Katir’s last two laps were absolutely insane because we’re three laps to go he was quite well out of it and not in the race. Insane Katir. Cheptegei has shown some vulnerability.
Katir's stride stood out as #1 talent.
good to see that Jacob was absolutely exhausted.
the red flag is when you are fine within a minute.
Katir's progression is natural and is subject to legit testing. there is no super red flag.
this guy Katir is going to be a superstar.
SUPERSTAR
longjack wrote:
ya, you don't need to come from africa
The records from the last 50 years dont say that.
so here is the mathematical equation.
The chance that what you see to be true is 1/50 = 2%.
note that it is assumed that there are new "nutritional methods" out there, illegal or not, that is in play, in mass.
SprintTriathlon wrote:
A guy with insane vo2Max at the age of 11, hailed as the biggest European runnerprodigy from then and throughout his teenage years, trained very smart all his life and all you can come up with is he is a doper.
Shame on you.
Fair is fair...when you start running some of the world's fastest times ever, in a sport rich with history, then there is a reason for it. Drugs, shoes, lights, track, or a combo of all. Do I think poorer countries have less testing? Yes, but that does not mean exceptional performances from "first world countries" should not be suspect. They are. That's reality.
bulldust! there is no way in hell clean europeans could outrun doped kenyans,who are quite simply born to run,and born to run well.Even doped europeans would struggle to keep up to even the best clean kenyan runners.
The time is impressive, but I think it’s not a surprise given the form he demonstrated last year, with a 3:28 1500m and a 7:26 3k. What’s exciting here I the manner he did it in, he wasn’t a close runner up to *insert East African here*, he mustered up a finishing kick that I think demonstrates he’s in the running for gold in Tokyo. It’ll have to be a fast race since I don’t think he quite has the raw speed to deal with some of these guys kicks in a race closer to 13:10-13:00, but he’s a legit contender.
Knight got a haircut, so I didn't recognize him but holy shlt what a run. This has to make the US guys absolutely chomping at the bit to get over to Europe and into these races. You have to think Fisher, McGorty, Klecker are all under 13:00 in a race like this.
McSweyn looked terrible. You wonder if a long year last year and being fit early this year is going to come back and bite him.
Semiler wrote:
Back in 2018 I predicted 12:17 and 3:24 for Jakob when all said and done. What about George Manangoi?
George doesn't consider Jakob his competition. He has bigger fish to fry, like Justus Soget.
History of track and fields for the middle/long distances in Europe is written by African:
Alain Mimoun did it for France
Mo Farah did it for the GB
S . Hassan is doing it for the Netherland
Kipketer did it for the Denmark
GaiusVelleius wrote:
Lets Run needs a separate section, where doping is discussed. Cycling-news forum has this and it makes the experience so much better. If you want to talk doping, then go there, but if you just want to enjoy talking about the great running, then you don´t have to deal with those annoying comments
Agreed.