RUPP IS DONE. Rupp gets his doors blown off on last lap by Suguru Osako and 3 others in 10,000. Runs 28:00.

American Exceptionalism at it's best.

Americans cling to their precious few world class runners, several who are past their prime, like grim death. They're going to get skunked in Tokyo. The only ones I see that can medal are Brazier and Hoppel.

Japanese have right now, at least 5 marathoners that can beat Rupp. If you understood Japanese culture you would know they are going all out to make a world statement on the home soil. They have the talent pool and the money to develop and more importantly sacrifice individuality for the overall good of the team. Banzai!!

That doesn't count the Africans who have distance culture embedded in their DNA at birth.

The US plays it cheap until a few months before the Olympics, then goes back to playing it cheap when they're over. They worry more about qualifying times than actually being competitive.

Last lap speed is useless for a marathoner. Mo Farah could run a “mediocre elite” time for a 10k but he had the best last lap speed to win championships. That did not translate to the marathon at all. Thus why he’s going back to the 10k despite his old age.

Rupp has to work on that last lap speed. The issue is that takes away from marathon training where volume is more important than speed. Does Kipchoge do fast 100s and 200s at the end of his workouts? Not from what I’ve seen. Instead he’s getting in a really large volume of repeat Ks at threshold. Because that translates to the marathon.

Basically judging a marathoner for their performance in 10k is like judging a 800m runner for their performance in the 200m.

AlbertosSpecialMassageOil wrote:Rupp gets his doors blown off

Another mass shooting in America?

Any chance he is not interested in showing his best stuff right now? Maybe keeping his cards close to the chest?

I wouldnt assume he is showing his best level at this time in the run-up to The Games.

legittttt wrote:

Brah, go deep into a mara training block and pivot back to the track for a weekend. Turnover suffers massively. This thread is clearly written by someone that has never experience a marathon block.

Is Osaka not in a marathon training block?

In the other thread I said Rupp will run whatever the race needs, and likely be there at the bell but then get beat, and that's what happened. I think the fellow on previous page had it right, and this might have been done after some other workout to prepare for a very hard close to the marathon.

michiganrunner55 wrote:

DC Wonk wrote:

So just 5-6 months ago Rupp does 20x400 @60 sec the day before he cruised a half marathon win. I don’t think he’s done by any stretch. We don’t know what running he did leading up to this. If I had to guess, I would say that the 10k was training for the final 10k of the marathon, and Rupp likely did a long and difficult workout either the day before the 10k or morning of the 10k.

Bingo!! Some people know what’s going on...

+1 Guaranteed that's what he did. How can so many people here be so ignorant of running?

Also, sounds like he's legit following JS now?

under a bridge wrote:

legittttt wrote:

Brah, go deep into a mara training block and pivot back to the track for a weekend. Turnover suffers massively. This thread is clearly written by someone that has never experience a marathon block.

Is Osaka not in a marathon training block?

Funny, right? 9 weeks out from Olympic Marathon and the biggest race of Osako’s life. We can all safely bet our Dragonfly’s that Osako is in a massive training block right now.

You could say the same thing about Chepty boy. 3:37 in third place. Got doors blown off.

Chepty is DONE!

Oh Please wrote:

In the other thread I said Rupp will run whatever the race needs, and likely be there at the bell but then get beat, and that's what happened. I think the fellow on previous page had it right, and this might have been done after some other workout to prepare for a very hard close to the marathon.

You don't prepare for a hard close at a marathon. Rupp will train for maximum fitness on the day of the Olympic marathon and the pace will dictate how strong of a finish he will have. If he tries to cover a hard surge by Kipchoge near the end of the race, his last mile could easily be north of 5:00.

Stick a fork in me please! wrote:

Yes, the man who won the Olympic Trials by 42 seconds only 15 months ago, ran the fastest time ever by an American-born runner on a legal marathon course three years ago, and is heading to the Olympics for the fourth time is clearly "done."

Man, I wish my career was "done."

Totally. This wasn't a goal race at all. It was a tune-up in his marathon cycle. Can we ban the "X is Done" headline?

Sub Max wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kVL8XdVnRE&t=1s

It comes down to fitness. If Rupp was in 26:44 shape, he could have run a sub-4 last mile off of that pace.

jamese wrote:

Any chance he is not interested in showing his best stuff right now? Maybe keeping his cards close to the chest?

I wouldnt assume he is showing his best level at this time in the run-up to The Games.

You're trying to say he lost a 10k intentionally as if it's some strategy to throw off his East African rivals?

There’s an old thread on here with the experts discussing how if you’re in solid full thon training you won’t be in great 10k shape... It’s a fantastic thread.

roller coaster wrote:

jamese wrote:

Any chance he is not interested in showing his best stuff right now? Maybe keeping his cards close to the chest?

I wouldnt assume he is showing his best level at this time in the run-up to The Games.

You're trying to say he lost a 10k intentionally as if it's some strategy to throw off his East African rivals?

Not like that. But Purposely or not, I'm wondering if hes not ready to show his optimal form just yet. Doesnt make him a loser, makes him a savvy player. What did he "lose?"

Stop the hysteria, children. Rupp ran 10 seconds faster than my prediction for a "good day at the office."

On May 20 Jeffro wrote: "What Rupp CAN do and WILL do at this race are two different things. If he isn't tapering for it very much (likely), anything under 28:20 will likely accomplish his goals for this particular workout. I say 28:10 and a good day at the office."

Yes Osako is 100% in the thick of marathon training as well. He's simply better than Rupp. Does Rupp have a chance to beat him in the Olympics? Yes. I wouldn't bet on it though.

silky dolfin shorts without the liner wrote:

There’s an old thread on here with the experts discussing how if you’re in solid full thon training you won’t be in great 10k shape... It’s a fantastic thread.

Being in great 10 k shape AND great marathon shape is no opposites. Well.....not at least in my world of world class coaching!!