Shalane Flanagan's Role on the BTC Depresses Me

oianveioion wrote:

badger miler wrote:

Please post a link to the stats you reference.

Otherwise, you’re not allowed to throw a fit when someone disagrees with you. If they’re wrong, show it!

https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20815047/where-are-the-elite-female-coaches/https://www.outsideonline.com/2342711/why-we-need-more-female-coacheshttps://www.runnersworld.com/news/a35810575/female-coaches-for-pro-jobs/

BA-BOOM!!! Now I'm not going to read for you, I hope you can manage yourself. Or maybe you'll just be throwing a fit...

See how easy that was?

Incidentally, I couldn’t give a flip for either side of the argument. It just bugs when people quote “stats” without citing specifics. The genre doesn’t matter- it’s irresponsible.

mama bear wrote:

emr0129 wrote:

Isn't Jerry known for being a bit of a control freak? If that's the case, he would have a hard time letting up on the coaching control. However, almost all of the BTC girls have said that Jerry barely talks to them and certainly isn't a coach that will comfort them when things go poorly. Shalane is probably needed to feel like there's an actual human there that they can talk to.

“Comfort them”???

Does he comfort the men? Hell no.

Do women want to be treated equal or coddled?

I assume OP meant "bolster them." Like, keeping them from getting too down if a workout goes poorly or helping them keep perspective

just take the L and move on dude. Unless you're still throwing a fit.

JamesTheAmateur wrote:

mama bear wrote:

“Comfort them”???

Does he comfort the men? Hell no.

Do women want to be treated equal or coddled?

I assume OP meant "bolster them." Like, keeping them from getting too down if a workout goes poorly or helping them keep perspective

That’s exactly what I meant but I let the imbeciles have their fun lol

Lmao. For someone who doesn’t care you came on this thread and seem pretty invested. Maybe read up so you don’t sound so ignorant lol. You’ll see how easy it will be to educate yourself.

oianveioion wrote:

just take the L and move on dude. Unless you're still throwing a fit.

Odd response and completely nonsensical. If you can’t take criticism any better than you seem to have here, then you’ve got a more challenging life ahead than need be. I mean, is it really too much to ask to have someone cite their facts without them going off on some tangent and perseverating on that critique? Maybe so. You’re tightly wound, dude.

sndnebc wrote:

Lmao. For someone who doesn’t care you came on this thread and seem pretty invested. Maybe read up so you don’t sound so ignorant lol. You’ll see how easy it will be to educate yourself.

Oh, I couldn’t care any less about what people think or don’t think regarding female coaches. I think you’ve got it twisted.

Incidentally. are you really an adult “laughing your ass off”? Or “laughing out loud”?

My goodness, heaven help our country’s future if you’re older than 13/14.

emr0129 wrote:

Isn't Jerry known for being a bit of a control freak? If that's the case, he would have a hard time letting up on the coaching control. However, almost all of the BTC girls have said that Jerry barely talks to them and certainly isn't a coach that will comfort them when things go poorly. Shalane is probably needed to feel like there's an actual human there that they can talk to.

Not really. He doesn't even care how his athletes structure their milage. If they do one or two runs a day, or how far. Other than the workouts themselfs he doesn't seem to be a control freak at all, Salazar is the obvious example of one.

Breathe bud. You’re getting too worked up. People can laugh a little. It’s ok.

bigmig19 wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

You don't get to walk off the track and start coaching top US talent the next day. Being a great athlete does not mean that you will be a great coach. Coaching is an entirely different discipline. Schumacher spent years working his way up from his first job as an assistant at UNC to Wisconsin then coming to BTC.

Shalane will have her shot at being a top coach, but she will need to work her way up just as everyone else has.

Well known that being a great runner doesnt make you a good coach, but to the OPs point why wouldnt you want a lot of input from Shalane Flanagan. You would be hard pressed to find someone with her kind of varied success. She is WAY more tuned into what these athletes go through, especially the gals.

Good point. Flanagan was also coached by John Cook, whose approach is, as I understand it, very different from Schumacher. I'd be curious to hear her discuss what she learned from both.

prefan wrote:

Jerry is just being smart. Far too many coaches are being thrown under the bus these days for saying things that girls/women take the wrong way or mis-construe into romantic intent when there was nothing like that going on. Sure, in most cases, the girls/women are telling the truth, but in some it's just out-and-out over-sensitivity, reading things into comments that aren't there, or "mis-remembering" what was ever said. Why take chances and talk any more than necessary? As a man, when coaching girls and women, the less said the better. Jerry is being smart.

This is the truth. Coach was very casual with us. Calling us boys and girls, profanity everywhere, butt slapping.

It's a new era.. cis Ladies, identify as ladies, gents, plain language, social distanced elbow taps..

Is it on YouTube? I just see a lot of BTC track workout vids with her and the other two.