A guy I loosely know has run over 4500 miles at 6 minute pace in Next% shoes, guess what his marathon PR is.

Honestly, if he wasn't kind of a jerk I would totally try to help him. I'm not claiming to be a good person here.

holterskolter2 wrote:

This makes no sense. He averages 12 miles a day at sub 6 pace, which presumably includes some longer days and some shorter days, but he can only run a marathon in about 6:20 pace?

He must have not run a marathon in a long time, or that was a really hilly marathon, or something. There is no way somebody can do 75 mpw at 20+ second faster than marathon pace for an entire year and not fall apart.

Is this guy a 5000m runner maybe, and that marathon was just a long hard training run?

I mean, I've known people to run in that range after a sub-1:10 half in the buildup. It's very easy to screw up a marathon, especially if you think you're in monster shape after running 90 mpw hard -- maybe popping some great 18 milers or whatever, too.

But who knows, OP could just be lying.

His half PR is just under 73 minutes.

Go away rainy day wrote:

But I guessed 2:45. If his PR is 2:44, I am the winner.

It is not.

WinnytheBish wrote:

[quote]You would think so! However, his PR is roughly 2:42-2:44. Not giving the exact time to defend the identity a bit.

Keep in mind the runs are all in next%s too so they're really like 6:10 pace or something I bet.

God Almighty, he runs 85 miles per week at marathon pace? You must save him from himself, he sounds like a terrible injury waiting to happen.

From what you've said, it sounds as though he just had a bad day, probably just falling apart late in the marathon. It happens, although less often in those big, puffy, carbony things.

WinnytheBish wrote:

holterskolter2 wrote:

This makes no sense. He averages 12 miles a day at sub 6 pace, which presumably includes some longer days and some shorter days, but he can only run a marathon in about 6:20 pace?

He must have not run a marathon in a long time, or that was a really hilly marathon, or something. There is no way somebody can do 75 mpw at 20+ second faster than marathon pace for an entire year and not fall apart.

Is this guy a 5000m runner maybe, and that marathon was just a long hard training run?

I know I'm repeating myself here as I've mentioned this earlier, but he ran a marathon within the last year. I agree it's ridiculous, but that is his PR.

For sure, i just think he either had a terrible day at that marathon or ran it as a tempo or something.

It just looks the guy is happy with this kind of training and never come close to his potential?

Had been easy for him to soon reach 2:25-2:30 with pro coach training.

Avocado's Number wrote:

From what you've said, it sounds as though he just had a bad day, probably just falling apart late in the marathon. It happens, although less often in those big, puffy, carbony things.

He has run within 4 minutes of his PR on over 4 occasions. His last one he only fell off about 15-20 seconds a mile by the end.

holterskolter2 wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

I know I'm repeating myself here as I've mentioned this earlier, but he ran a marathon within the last year. I agree it's ridiculous, but that is his PR.

For sure, i just think he either had a terrible day at that marathon or ran it as a tempo or something.

Runs a marathon as a tempo? Lol

Does this guy ever do workouts? If not, any progression runs?

2:11.20

Thanks, Rizzo. wrote:

Is this him??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf7hL0XyS7E

he pretty much nailed it.

In order to understand his marathon time, we need to know his half distance split. Then it will be obvious why his marathon time is so low. Someone who trains so unscientifically will probably also go out blazing fast in a race then slow down over the last half. Heck, plenty of runners who train in a semi-intelligent manner can't pace themselves worth crap in a marathon.

Purple oils wrote:

Does this guy ever do workouts? If not, any progression runs?

Rarely. Occasionally does some random stuff maybe once a month. Much more concerned with getting in his 6 minute miles.

FFSS wrote:

In order to understand his marathon time, we need to know his half distance split. Then it will be obvious why his marathon time is so low. Someone who trains so unscientifically will probably also go out blazing fast in a race then slow down over the last half. Heck, plenty of runners who train in a semi-intelligent manner can't pace themselves worth crap in a marathon.

During his most recent marathon (his PR), he split his half marathon in roughly 79-80 minutes. Closed in roughly 83 minutes.

Makes sense . A woman I coach runs all her runs too hard and only runs 320 for the marathon . Always running faster than mp then tanking workouts

I'm calling BS on this thread. My marathon PB is quite a lot faster than that and it would be physically impossible for me to run so many miles so fast.

Sorry if it sounds blunt or rude, but I'm 15-20 seconds faster per mile, so if he's wearing VF's his 6:00 pace is like me doing 5:50. The fastest I've ever gone outside of a session is averaging 6:25 and that was a tempo run for the last few miles, would've seriously struggled to do that 2 days in a row. So you're telling me this guy runs the equivalent of 35 seconds per mile faster on EVERY run AND he's averaged at least 86 MPW... assuming he has at least the ocassional easier week he's doing 90+ most weeks, so 13 miles a day at that pace, so he's pretty much running a half marathon at all-out race effort every day for a year... no chance!